luigi bertolotti Posted July 24, 2012 Share #41 Posted July 24, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here a Black paint M3 of the same batch (I know this camera, was sold in the USA, matching box, original warranty, etc.): Leica M3 Black paint | Flickr - Photo Sharing! cheers. ... with right lever... ; but, let me say, even in this one the paint is "even too much fine"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Hi luigi bertolotti, Take a look here A genuine example of a rebuilt camera. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
M9reno Posted July 24, 2012 Share #42 Posted July 24, 2012 If it easy, could you post a pic of the label on box, with s/n ? Yes, easy enough. Except my wife found me photographing a box and gave me THAT look: are you crazy? I can't claim to disagree entirely Anyway, here is my box, inside and out. Serial number is 1079171. The stamp and writing seem hard to fake, unless the top of the box does not belong to the bottom. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/184060-a-genuine-example-of-a-rebuilt-camera/?do=findComment&comment=2070770'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 24, 2012 Share #43 Posted July 24, 2012 Thanks... indeed doesn't seem that number is faked... well... after all managing with care the warehose of boxes was not such an important task for Leitz... maybe the relationship between case style / camera s/n doesn't need to be taken so strictly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted July 27, 2012 Share #44 Posted July 27, 2012 ^^ Ah,yes. I remember now the infamous thread about boxes, where the questions were found (on another thread) to be not exactly disinterested... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/202662-leica-m3-boxes.html Butt checking against JC's site, the box for this camera does seem to be the later (s.n. 1,000,000+) M3 variety (basically cream-coloured, with a stylized eye around the label M3). Anyway, who knows whether the s.n. numbers match, etc., but if you re-check this does seem the right *type* of box, no? Or where am I wrong? You have a contemporary exemple here : eBay | VINTAGE LEICA M3 CAMERA (1960) #992417, SUMMICRON 50mm LENS #1705320 w/ extras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted July 28, 2012 Share #45 Posted July 28, 2012 Thanks to everyone. I am still a little puzzled. It seems like the third variant of the M3 box (which I take to be the variant of which mine is an example) had considerable longevity, as well as some overlap with at least the fourth variant. I find this a bit strange, although Luigi may well be right that Leica had more important things to think about in the early 1960s than issuing the "right" boxes. Or... The box forgers out there are making things more difficult for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted July 28, 2012 Share #46 Posted July 28, 2012 By the way, does anyone know what 10650-P on my box is supposed to mean? Perhaps some code for the dealer (e.g. Country code)? Maybe this could help clarify the matter of box chronology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted July 31, 2012 Share #47 Posted July 31, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Helo Al, 1st: The earlier camera w/ the shorter advance lever: I think the shorter advance lever was part of the less stressful advance mechanism (shorter lever = less force) utilized in the earlier 2 stroke advance mechanism for M3's which was replaced w/ a longer lever'd single stroke mechanism beginning w/ # 915,251 in 1958. 2d: Since a regular M3 had code # 10150 & "10" was the beginning of the code #'s of bodies as "11" was for lenses: It might well be that 10650 (only 1 digit different) MIGHT have been a 10150 in black. As "P" MIGHT be for professional. You might want to research that. Enjoy your camera. Remenber: M's are Samoyeds. They may be occasional couch potatos & like being petted. But, they are @ their best when they are working. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 31, 2012 Share #48 Posted July 31, 2012 10650 P = exactly the code which appears in this catalog (France) of 1960 : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/184060-a-genuine-example-of-a-rebuilt-camera/?do=findComment&comment=2075772'>More sharing options...
M9reno Posted July 31, 2012 Share #49 Posted July 31, 2012 Thank you both. Here is another example: Leica M3 no. 1040977 The code does not show up on any of my UK catalogues. The one from 1960 still uses letter codes exclusively. Would that suggest that the camera originally sold through a French dealer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 31, 2012 Share #50 Posted July 31, 2012 Who knows.... ... this question of codes is someway strange... the 1964 US catalog still lists M3 body only as 10150, and, notably, 10151 as the black version... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/184060-a-genuine-example-of-a-rebuilt-camera/?do=findComment&comment=2076097'>More sharing options...
ph. Posted August 6, 2012 Share #51 Posted August 6, 2012 Well, yes. The camera as palimpsest, or even as a living organism. And after all, why not? Refurbishment is a fine Leitz tradition, from the Model A to the M9 > M9P, and long may it continue! Indeed, Leiz assumed that customers might wish to update their cameras and hence provided this as a service. I once had a self timer added to one of mine in Wetzlar. The gentleman I spoke with at the Hauser Torwerk said that such refurbishments were excellent training for apprentices. He also told me that they would not assemble the camera again without replacing all screws that had been undone with new ones. This, he said, was necessary to maintain prime quality. p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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