jip Posted June 25, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello guys, once again I'm on the brink of buying a lens. This time im choosing between a summicron and a summicron-m can you guys help me choose the price difference is only 50 euro. thanks for your help, please also if you know, explain what is better to what lens.. and why Thanks in advance. see pictures: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/182477-leica-35mm-summicron-or-summicron-m/?do=findComment&comment=2048525'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 Hi jip, Take a look here Leica 35mm summicron or summicron-m?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jip Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share #2 Posted June 25, 2012 The summicron has the original box with it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted June 25, 2012 Share #3 Posted June 25, 2012 Absolutely the first! The other seems to be the well-infamous "plastic summicron", a lot on internet about it (but we need serial n in order to confirm, Germany specimens are excellent built, they are late). Someone wrote: "The lens assembly actually is not plastic, it's made from Silumin, a silicon-aluminium press powder material. It has no advantages other than cost in mass production. The material is very fragile, and the lens hood effectively attaches to it. Any stress (e.g. from a bump) is transferred to this part and it doesn't takes much to crack it". see for ex: Plastic "King of Bokeh" - Photo.net Leica and Rangefinders Forum Bokeh King is Naked: repairing Leica Summicron 35 - A Camera Apart Sure, If you broke the lens you can have it fixed, there was even here in the forum a guy trying to repair one of these, but it's very expensive! see: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/211673-summicron-35-mm-pieces.html cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted June 25, 2012 Share #4 Posted June 25, 2012 The first one you show is type nr. III and the second one is generally described as type IV. Both are pre-aspherical (type nr. V). Please note that apart from its barrel design, type III and IV are rendering the light quite differently, i.e. they have quite different characteristics with respect to how they handle light. This can best be observed when comparing the out of focus (OOF) areas of a picture. Many people seem to prefer nr. IV because it has somewhat softer drawing of the OOF or Bokeh areas. Type II and III are know to have a little 'harder' bokeh, but it is all a matter of taste actually - in some cases I prefer my type II (which is almost the same lens as nr. III) above the other types. Comparing barrels, indeed type III wins from type IV. Chosing between the different 35mm summicrons was never my strongest point, therefore I ended up collecting them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 25, 2012 Share #5 Posted June 25, 2012 .....therefore I ended up collecting them Me too.... ... so, as a user (time to time) of them all, and having appreciated the not so perfect building of the V4.... I'd say that in user terms is better to take NONE of the two above (with, in case of GAS, better preference to the first one, the V3): if one WANTS a Summicron 35 to use, for me there are two choices : 1) The ASPH : I find difficult to imagine a better 35 2) The FIRST (8 elements) if one searches for "old time classic" rendering coupled with a superb mechanical quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted June 26, 2012 Ended up getting version 3, cosmetic of the one on sale was like mint. And it included the box. Mechanically it was in great shape to and had a CLA. I'll get it tomorrow, or actually today 27/06/2012. Pictures follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted June 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here are the first shots I took with the Summicron 35mm V3 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/showthread.php?t=244528&referrerid=124501 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 29, 2012 Share #8 Posted June 29, 2012 Just for the record - the naming difference ("Summicron-M" vs. "Summicron") was introduced in the 1970's simply to distinguish between M-mount (rangefinder) and R-mount (SLR) lenses. It doesn't, in and of itself, imply better or worse. Usually the "-M" was added along with a redesign (stretching the process out over the decade). But not always - the 135mm Tele-Elmar design was unchanged optically from 1965 to 1998, but the name was modified to add the "-M" somewhere along the line, even without a redesign. The v. 4 35 Summicron may have had the barrel construction modified for economic reasons, as sabears says - but it also had the optical design improved, by the addition of a 7th element (improved flatness of field). Versions 2 and 3 were themselves an economic compromise - reduction of the number of elements to 6, from 8 in the version 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted June 29, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 29, 2012 To sum up the facts regarding summicron version IV here is the way it is: Safe-no brittle parts from serial n.3.390.000 for made in Germany. Safe-no brittle parts from serial n.3.410.000 for made in Canada. Improved optical design from serial n. 3.400.001 (less spherical aberrations- so,less differences between center and corners). Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share #10 Posted June 29, 2012 Thanks for all the replies! I got the V3 and am loving it, it sure is better then the CV I had before, nice fast focusing, nice speed. Posted some images taken with m8 and the lens on 500px.com/jip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted July 1, 2012 Share #11 Posted July 1, 2012 Versions 2 and 3 were themselves an economic compromise - reduction of the number of elements to 6, from 8 in the version 1. Don't think it was only economic. By the time the use of color film had become wide spread one felt the need for more contrasty lenses. By reducing the amount of glasses, the contrast was highly improved. However the bokeh also got a little harsher, at least that is what some feel. And to improve on bokeh, a 7th element was added, increasing coma. However the latter reduced sharpness somewhat at full opening - and as we know this was improved by using the aspherical lens design but type I is also my favourite lens, very high resolution (sharpness) combined with lovely bokeh. last saterday shot wide open at a bbq (camerabag not mine): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share #12 Posted July 7, 2012 Don't think it was only economic. By the time the use of color film had become wide spread one felt the need for more contrasty lenses. By reducing the amount of glasses, the contrast was highly improved. However the bokeh also got a little harsher, at least that is what some feel. And to improve on bokeh, a 7th element was added, increasing coma. However the latter reduced sharpness somewhat at full opening - and as we know this was improved by using the aspherical lens design but type I is also my favourite lens, very high resolution (sharpness) combined with lovely bokeh. last saterday shot wide open at a bbq (camerabag not mine): Hey Ron, thanks for your reply, hope you didn't cut open your lip, I see some damage on the glass... indeed HAARSCHERP! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted July 7, 2012 Author Share #13 Posted July 7, 2012 Also since I now shot a little more with the lens, here are some URL's to my 500px profile with images taken with the summicron, some wide open. 500px / Photo "Miller my little brother," by Jip van Kuijk < My little brother. 500px / Photo "Waiting," by Jip van Kuijk < a black and white of a girl waiting for her train. 500px / Photo "Polish art, made in Croatia" by Jip van Kuijk < close up of two little statues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted July 7, 2012 Share #14 Posted July 7, 2012 The build quality may not be up there- but I think it really is a super lens- something about the large rear element- very happy with mine: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/182477-leica-35mm-summicron-or-summicron-m/?do=findComment&comment=2057285'>More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted July 8, 2012 Share #15 Posted July 8, 2012 Also since I now shot a little more with the lens, here are some URL's to my 500px profile with images taken with the summicron, some wide open. 500px / Photo "Miller my little brother," by Jip van Kuijk < My little brother. 500px / Photo "Waiting," by Jip van Kuijk < a black and white of a girl waiting for her train. 500px / Photo "Polish art, made in Croatia" by Jip van Kuijk < close up of two little statues. Enjoy your lens: you know how to handle it for sure Lovely Bokeh on the Miller picture! great portrait too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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