Ruhayat Posted June 24, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 24, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) In case anyone from Leica is listening: I hope if Leica decides to implement these features on an M, it will be on a different line entirely. Like what Nikon did with their D700 vs D7000: want a photo camera, get the D700. Want a gadget, get the D7000. I mean, I get the whole convergence thing, and I used to work in IT so I got it like 15 years ago. But there is a reason why I choose to shoot with a Leica M for personal stuff and not the digital SLR that I use for work, and I hope the "purity" of the M cameras stays. Of course, on a recent trip I found the AE of my M7 very handy and made the shooting experience more pleasurable than with my M6TTL. But when I'm back on home soil, I'm more than happy to take my time and indulge in pure manual shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Hi Ruhayat, Take a look here Autofocus AND video on the M? Yuck.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lars_bergquist Posted June 24, 2012 Share #2 Posted June 24, 2012 You will not have AF on the M because that would demand a whole new line of AF lenses. But video you will likely have. But you will be able to forget that it is there – which I can, together with a number of other features such as sweep panoramas, when I am using my X-100. As long at the general user interface is not cluttered up, it is all right with me. And uncluttered interfaces are Leica's forte. The dour old spoilsport from the Rangefinder Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ruhayat Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted June 24, 2012 You will not have AF on the M because that would demand a whole new line of AF lenses. But video you will likely have. But you will be able to forget that it is there – which I can, together with a number of other features such as sweep panoramas, when I am using my X-100. As long at the general user interface is not cluttered up, it is all right with me. And uncluttered interfaces are Leica's forte. The dour old spoilsport from the Rangefinder Age You never know. From that recent interview, Leica has not discounted the idea that future M's will not have AF and video features. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 24, 2012 Share #7 Posted June 24, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) From that recent interview, Leica has not discounted the idea that future M's will not have AF and video features. Video is quite likely, AF much less so. And video capability is something you can simply ignore if you don’t wish to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted June 24, 2012 Share #8 Posted June 24, 2012 I'm sure all this lot (with some form of focus confirmation) will be in a separate menu activated by attaching a visoflex electronic viewfinder. For the rest of us who don't want to attach this, the M will remain exactly the same as before save a modest increase in resolution,speed and better high ISO performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 24, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 24, 2012 Just to get it in first: "What are you complaining about? You don't have to use autofocus/video/face recognition/GPS/cappucino mode." That's not the point; never has been, never will be. Not only do I not want to pay to have it added, I don't want the inherent hardware and software complexity just waiting to go wrong like a little timebomb. I don't want my decent gin diluted with cheap tonic either. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 24, 2012 Share #10 Posted June 24, 2012 Yes to video! It will be one of the first things I play around with. Trying all my Leica glass is going to be just amazing. I can't think of a reasonable reason for Leica to leave it out. I'd also like auto focus if, it can be done someday on the M system. Why not? If, you don't want it don't buy the lenses. I'd possibly buy a 50mm autofocus lens if it was implemented as well as the 5DIII. But, it certainly isn't at the top of my list or even on it for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted June 24, 2012 Video is quite likely, AF much less so. And video capability is something you can simply ignore if you don’t wish to use it. I respectfully disagree. But then, I suppose we buy into Leica for different reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 24, 2012 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2012 There are dozens of features i don't use with my DSLRs. I can well forget a video gadget in the M10 provided it is not in my way when i don't need it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 24, 2012 Share #13 Posted June 24, 2012 That's not the point; never has been, never will be. Not only do I not want to pay to have it added, I don't want the inherent hardware and software complexity just waiting to go wrong like a little timebomb. Hearing you one would suppose live-view and video was some bleeding edge technology and that cameras incorporating such features would blow up or fall apart all the time … But if that is how you feel then the M10 might not be for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted June 24, 2012 Share #14 Posted June 24, 2012 I shudder even at the thought of having those two features!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 24, 2012 Share #15 Posted June 24, 2012 Hearing you one would suppose live-view and video was some bleeding edge technology and that cameras incorporating such features would blow up or fall apart all the time … But if that is how you feel then the M10 might not be for you. I know full well it is not "bleeding edge technology". Knives with built in corkscrews are well-established but I don't want or need that facility on my carving knife, thank you very much. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted June 24, 2012 Share #16 Posted June 24, 2012 Perhaps M-lenses with aperture click-stops are not ideal for video anyway.. or perhaps there's a software to even out the sudden darkening when clicking between f-stops? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted June 24, 2012 Share #17 Posted June 24, 2012 IMHO you do not need to change aperture when shooting film (= video) in fact it is a bad idea to do so. You might want to pull focus, which is a manual dexterity, certainly not suitable for AF. To do that properly you need to become one with the lens & how it works. Also, you might want to pan or similar but it is all based on control of the action via a very solid understanding of the optics, the scene, the dynamic compositions and all other factors involved. You do not use 'live view' for that, you use your hands & brain, especially the latter. Tinkering with the aperture within a single camera movement is not desirable, although not impossible. Video/cinematography is roughly the same as still photography with an added extra complication that really selects on photographic skill, the element of time/movement that also needs to work properly. Why do people 'over here' consider motion pictures an inferior art? I really do not understand this. If anything it is the penultimate demonstration of photographic skill & yes I know enough about this topic to realize that I am not good enough to even get close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 25, 2012 Share #18 Posted June 25, 2012 Stephen, I agree and believe I know just enough about light and exposure and DOF that I'd like to try it with some of my M lenses. I don't expect to be a cinematographer but, I'm not a professional photographer, either. That hasn't stopped me from having fun with still photography. Nothing high tech about it. There are so many times I've been on vacation, especially in the late afternoon and early evening when I had my M9 on the carbon tripod, waiting for the light to be just right. We were in Vernazza last summer, bottle of red wine, sitting on the local bench by the water on the wharf taking in the setting sun and watching the local kids run around. I'd have loved to be able to flip over to video and pan across the scene. Nothing high tech about it. Instead, I had to take my iPhone with me (extra junk) and use that crappy little piece of junk. But, at least I can play back my memory on my computer from time to time. It is a totally different feel watching it. More dynamic than stills. I can't imagine what that would look like with the M9 and the 50 lux! Nothing high tech about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 25, 2012 Share #19 Posted June 25, 2012 I'm no videographer, and have no desire to be one. But I have enjoyed using Leica glass on a NEX, with video. I hadn't realised how good manual focusing is (I can see why the top of the line cine lenses are manual). Clicking the aperture ring while videoing isn't too good ... I don't really understand the resistance to the option of an AF line of M lenses. Leica has the technology and makes AF S lenses. Sure, they'll be bigger and probably not as nice to hold and use as the current MF lenses, but AF is essential for the "gap filler" camera Stefan Daniels was talking about, whenever that arrives. More power to Leica if they can attract more than the lunatic fringe they currently cater to. I won't be selling my M9P, but it's an interesting idea. If the price isn't too ridiculous, I could see such a camera replacing my NEX. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted June 25, 2012 Share #20 Posted June 25, 2012 I can just see this forum moving into many directions and threads. "The M needs a better video camera. 30 frames per sec just doesn't cut it." "The M needs a dedicated button for video". then again "Can I reprogram the dedicated video button?" "Why can't my M take a picture in a video clip." "My memory card hangs after 2 minutes." "The M needs a better stereo microphone." and my new Hermes camera just talked to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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