wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #21 Posted June 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you Wilson. What do you think of your series 2? Did you say recently that you thought it an interesting lens but not really up to scratch, or have I got it very wrong? Peter, It works OK-ish in lower light situations but in bright sunlight, it really is very low contrast. Have a look at this thread, which I started not long after coming back from Namibia, showing an example of the low contrast image I get. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/160293-better-alternative-telyt-280-v-m8.html#post1576037 . My lens seems clean and even has the black velvet liner inside to reduce internal reflections, which may be one cause of veiling glare. When do I want to use it - in Africa in strong light situations - exactly when it is at its worst. I understand from various forum users, that the series 3 is much better in this aspect. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k-hawinkler Posted June 18, 2012 Share #22 Posted June 18, 2012 Wilson, What's the distance for this shot http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1574543-post1.html ? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #23 Posted June 18, 2012 Polariser does nothing to help. If anything, the contrast looks lower in the test shot I took with it. It also is quite a big EV hit. For example: without polariser, 1/360 sec, with polariser 1/90 sec. Not exactly desirable when you taking wild animal photos. I will telephone Photographica in Copenhagen today, explain why I am interested in the series 3 and see if they have access to a good Leica lens man in Denmark, who could estimate for a CLA. I have had a Fleabay search running for some time and this is the first one I have come across in some time. The only other S3 also had major problems (separation and fungus). Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 18, 2012 Share #24 Posted June 18, 2012 I was not aware there were two versions of version III. Thanks 2 years ago or so there had been a ULTRAHOT discussion about (it's linked in the Wiki section - page of 280 III - #1) ... at a certain moment, it even seemed that the versions of the V3 could be three.... : those discussions are superfun... funnier again, for me, was that I found & bought my 280 V3 DURING the discussion... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 18, 2012 Share #25 Posted June 18, 2012 I was not aware there were two versions of version III. Thanks I ld say 'variations' as it is only cosmetics keeping "versions" for optics constructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 18, 2012 Share #26 Posted June 18, 2012 [ According to Lager officially the s/n of this 100 unit lot began at 3 059 601 from 1978 Right... sorry... mis-typed the s/n of mine (.688 , not .588)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 18, 2012 Share #27 Posted June 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Peter, It works OK-ish in lower light situations but in bright sunlight, it really is very low contrast. Have a look at this thread, which I started not long after coming back from Namibia, showing an example of the low contrast image I get. www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/160293-better-alternative-telyt-280-v-m8.html#post1576037 . My lens seems clean and even has the black velvet liner inside to reduce internal reflections, which may be one cause of veiling glare. When do I want to use it - in Africa in strong light situations - exactly when it is at its worst. I understand from various forum users, that the series 3 is much better in this aspect. Wilson Wilson, I just sharpen and enhance the colors by 1/3 of what the software can do not bad IMHO : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/181952-rare-error-in-paul-van-hasbroecks-leica-history/?do=findComment&comment=2042800'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #28 Posted June 18, 2012 Wilson, What's the distance for this shot http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1574543-post1.html ? Thanks. K-H, From memory about 70 to 80 metres. It was in the morning after a lot of rain the day before and was not windy, so unlike many photos in Namibia, dust was not an issue. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #29 Posted June 18, 2012 Wilson,I just sharpen and enhance the colors by 1/3 of what the software can do not bad IMHO : JC, I know I can increase the contrast and saturation in PS but that is (and nearly always looks so to my eye) artificial. I posted that shot, un-enhanced to demonstrate that out of the camera, the contrast on this lens is very low. In effect it means that the information is just not there in the image. Funnily enough it works quite well on B&W images, as the low contrast means the shadows are never blocky or the whites blown out. I do like high contrast lenses, which is why in addition to far too many Leica lenses, I have two Zeiss ZM lenses (a 25/2.8 Biogon and a 50/2 Planar), as they don't come much higher contrast than that. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #30 Posted June 18, 2012 Very nice helpful conversation with Photographica in Copenhagen. They do not have a Leica lens service person in Denmark. It would probably need to go to Will van Manen in The Netherlands, as the nearest. The person I spoke to felt that the second element would almost certainly need to be recoated and maybe other elements as well. We agreed that in its current hazed state, it would probably be little if any better than my current series 2, so it is really not a good idea for me to buy it. The cost of the repair plus the purchase, would make the whole exercise uneconomic. I will just have to keep looking. It is always nice to chat to an honest dealer, who is not just trying to sell you something. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted June 18, 2012 There is a series 3 just come up on eBay here TELYT 4,8/280 280mm F4,8 LEICA M LEITZ VISOFLEX M6 M7 MP M8 M9 | eBay It looks nice but the price is a little on the high side. There is another strange one here Leica TELYT 4.8/280 Leitz Canada Objektiv 4.8 280mm | eBay Is this a Leicaflex lens, as it seems to have a bayonet on the back with a cam but it is not a series 3? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 18, 2012 Share #32 Posted June 18, 2012 Thanks very much for the link Wilson. Are we sure this is a series 3? It does seem a little pricey, although I wouldn't really know what to expect, and compared with anything else that may be comparable in quality terms I should imagine its good value. I shall look into it further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share #33 Posted June 18, 2012 Peter if you look at the pictures further down, you can see it has the tubular not tapered body and the mat black fitting at the camera end, with the rotation release button. This fulfils the same function as the chromed slider tab on the OUBIO adapter. I have emailed the seller an offer and also suggested that we might discuss part-exch. with my series 2. As a dealer, this would be another opportunity for him to turn a profit, so I hope he bites. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 18, 2012 Share #34 Posted June 18, 2012 I agree with Wilson : the first one is a legitimate 280V3... not for cheap; and the 2nd is a V2 with some sort of adapter for a Leica R mount : I don't think it's original (afaik, Leitz didn't make such an adapter... they made it for the Visoflex II/III lenses), but looks well made... easy to design and engineer given that the 280V2 was made for Visoflex I (91,3 mm flange distance - the V2 needs the OUBIO ring to fit onto Visoflex II/III) and the flange distance of Leica R mount is 47mm : so, a simple tube with M39 female thread and a R male bayonet : manual diaphragm , of course, but with presetting facility. In the ebay pics, the adapter looks to me a bit "short", indeed... but probably it's just a visual impression (ought to be 34,3mm) : the bayonet mount has a "large" diameter... surely isn't a M one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 18, 2012 Share #35 Posted June 18, 2012 Good luck Wilson. I shan't bid against you but if he declines and you don't feel like going higher perhaps you'd let me know. I hope this doesn't contravene eBay protocol: I'm a virgin! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 18, 2012 Share #36 Posted June 18, 2012 I agree with Wilson : the first one is a legitimate 280V3... not for cheap; and the 2nd is a V2 with some sort of adapter for a Leica R mount : I don't think it's original (afaik, Leitz didn't make such an adapter... they made it for the Visoflex II/III lenses), but looks well made... easy to design and engineer given that the 280V2 was made for Visoflex I (91,3 mm flange distance - the V2 needs the OUBIO ring to fit onto Visoflex II/III) and the flange distance of Leica R mount is 47mm : so, a simple tube with M39 female thread and a R male bayonet : manual diaphragm , of course, but with presetting facility. In the ebay pics, the adapter looks to me a bit "short", indeed... but probably it's just a visual impression (ought to be 34,3mm) : the bayonet mount has a "large" diameter... surely isn't a M one. What is to be looked at with attention is that lens have a plunger to be connected to a camera range finder cam and you also see the milling on the coupling ring to let the clearance with this camera range finder cam Strange for a Visoflex lens isn't it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted June 18, 2012 Share #37 Posted June 18, 2012 There is a series 3 just come up on eBay here TELYT 4,8/280 280mm F4,8 LEICA M LEITZ VISOFLEX M6 M7 MP M8 M9 | eBay It looks nice but the price is a little on the high side. Wilson Even the near mint conditions I think too that the price is on the high side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 19, 2012 Share #38 Posted June 19, 2012 What is to be looked at with attention is that lens have a plunger to be connected to a camera range finder cam and you also see the milling on the coupling ring to let the clearance with this camera range finder camStrange for a Visoflex lens isn't it ? Yes... I noticed this very odd detail... my impression is that, maybe, it could be not a rangefinder coupling , but "something else"... (which I can't imagine... could it be something related to the R bayonet ? To auto-diaphragm? Btw, do you think it IS a R bayonet ? I am not 100% sure of this.... I wrote the seller asking some detail...) It seems to me that maybe it is not a RF cam because, looking at my 280V2, I have the impression that to make a "tube" that fits into its std. 39x1 thread AND transmits the focus helicoid movement to such a cam is not an easy task for a 3rd party lab (the most similar item with a coupling of this kind is probably the Tele Elmarit 135) : maybe Leitz/Elcan itself could have engineered some prototype of a Telyt 280 in RF coupling (they did for the Telyt 200) ... but of course on a std. M mount, which isn't the case for the above lens... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share #39 Posted June 19, 2012 Even the near mint conditions I think too that the price is on the high side. The seller and I have come to an agreement on this lens at a different price. We just now have to agree on payment method. I don't want to use an overseas bank transfer, as UK banks make you pay through the nose for these, especially the first time you set up a payee. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 19, 2012 Share #40 Posted June 19, 2012 Yes... I noticed this very odd detail... my impression is that, maybe, it could be not a rangefinder coupling , but "something else"... (which I can't imagine... could it be something related to the R bayonet ? To auto-diaphragm? Btw, do you think it IS a R bayonet ? I am not 100% sure of this.... I wrote the seller asking some detail...) ... Got a very quick answer : "is for Visoflex system"... ... my doubts about the bayonet type increase... JC... looking again at the pictures of this odd V2, there are at least two non standard detail, it seems to me... 1) The finishing of the focusing ring is not scalloped... it looks like the later ones... strange considering that also the V3, initially, had the oldstyle finishing... 2) The focus scale looks to go to 1 meter - 3,3 feet ! That's absolutely out of the std. range of the 280. And the DOF scale has the reference lines for f2.... 1)+2) : this is not a mount for the 280, whichever bayonet it has... it is "Canada", f2 to f22, 1 meter, a certain DOF scale... smells of Summicron 90...(it had the same stops on DOF scale, 2-5,6-11-22) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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