chrism Posted June 5, 2012 Share #121 Â Posted June 5, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Fixer (with hardener) tastes a little like peanut butter. I went to school with someone who thought it was funny to switch the trays around. Â And why, pray, did you have a tray of peanut butter in your darkroom? Â Chris:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted June 6, 2012 Share #122  Posted June 6, 2012 And why, pray, did you have a tray of peanut butter in your darkroom? Chris:confused:  Developer on left and fixer on right (stop in middle) would be switched to fixer on left and developer on right. Trays feel like trays in the dark (tanks too). Then your heart sinks when you turn on the light and see the clear sheets of film. Wetting a finger in the right hand tray and touching it to your lips was the only way to be sure you were not being pranked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gberger Posted June 6, 2012 Share #123 Â Posted June 6, 2012 In the US, A&I, a highly-respected company in California, quit processing color slide film ilast December. We're essentially left with one color slide processor in the lower 48. Â It's not the film I'm worried about, but the processing availability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 6, 2012 Share #124 Â Posted June 6, 2012 We're essentially left with one color slide processor in the lower 48. Â Huh? There are at least four labs doing E6 in-house here in the Denver area alone. Â E6 Slide Developing | Denver DigitalImaging Center Color Film Developing - Processing E6 and C41 Mike's Camera | Slide Film E6 Transparency Englewood Camera | Film Services Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiralx Posted June 6, 2012 Share #125 Â Posted June 6, 2012 You were looking at the wrong places then. At least in Melbourne we are still blessed with fast, reliable and pretty cheap film processing. I have lived in four countries in the past ten years and Australia has been by far the best for film processing. Â Please let me know, as I still have my M5 for occasional use. Michaels are good but expensive, a couple of other places I've used are cheap but mediocre. I can get film cheap on eBay, it's just the processing. Â Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Image Posted June 6, 2012 Share #126 Â Posted June 6, 2012 With all the advances in camera technology is it out of the range of possibility someone will be able to design a digital unit that can be put in film cameras? Right now there is probably not much demand for such a piece of technology but in 10 years when you have to send your C41 film off to the only lab that still developes for a two week turnaround there might be. At that point maybe the hurdles that keep it from being a reality now will have been worked out. I know if I had the mechanical capacity for such endeavors I'd be soldering on my old AE-1 as we speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted June 6, 2012 Share #127  Posted June 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) This has been discusses before, there are some technical hurdles but much more a marketing one I think, they would much rather sell you an m9 or d4 than a back to use your old camera  Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 6, 2012 Share #128  Posted June 6, 2012 With all the advances in camera technology is it out of the range of possibility someone will be able to design a digital unit that can be put in film cameras? Remember Leica’s Digital Modul R? It wasn’t such a big success in its day (7 years ago) and the attractiveness of such a solution was and is in steady decline. In the early days of digital photography many photographers dreamt of converting their analog SLRs to DSLRs – existing DSLRs were prohibitively expensive and not all that great actually. But these photographers have long since switched to digital. Today the market for analog-to-digital conversion kits may be too small even by Leica’s standards.  Whoever still shoots film does because he wants to, not because he couldn’t afford a digital camera. And those photographers will probably continue to do so, even when the infrastructure for film is mostly gone and it gets more difficult to obtain one’s favourite film and getting it processed. But if they should ever make the switch they could just buy a digital body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Image Posted June 6, 2012 Share #129 Â Posted June 6, 2012 Both very true. Film would literally have to be on its death bed but even then the M16 will be more attractive I'm sure. Â The one (and in my mind major) perk would be the feel of a film M with digital capabilities. When are we going to see a digital M that is the same size as an M6? That's my one serious gripe about the M8/9....they really feel almost nothing like a film M in the hand or while shooting. Sure I'd love to keep the smooth crank of the advance lever but I'd settle for just the body. Â And just to clarify my idea of a digital unit is solely as third party offering and only in the face of film being extinct and not wanting to relegate ones analog M to a display shelf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted June 6, 2012 Share #130 Â Posted June 6, 2012 I know Leica needs to make a go of its digital products to survive, but to promote them by suggesting film is dead when you sell all the M7s and MPs you can make? Â That sounds like bullshit. It seems vastly more likely that it's the other way round: Leica are making no more film cameras than they can sell. Do you have any evidence that the film camera production line(s) are running at 100% capacity? Are Leica planning to increase production of them? Â I'll be sorry if they ever discontinue film cameras. Me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted June 6, 2012 Share #131 Â Posted June 6, 2012 I've been processing my own slide film (mostly Kodak Ektachrome varieties) for years. Ok, I am using kit chemicals but they are still available, and as long as you can keep everything at 38dec C, so can you! There are 3 bath, and 6 bath kits. I find the 3 bath one perfect, and use it one shot in a Jobo processor. http://www.yarki.net/E6/ Â I would recommend a Jobo processor, though. Â Then all you need are... http://www.gepe.com/website/index.asp?pageID=274 Â John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 6, 2012 Share #132 Â Posted June 6, 2012 in nyc life before and after digital is different but hardly enough to say that film buying and processing is an impediment to using film. what is gone is the easy consumer-oriented kiosks to sell and process, but those consumers are gone as well. the better labs and places to buy more varied film are still here. lucky i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 6, 2012 Share #133 Â Posted June 6, 2012 With all the advances in camera technology is it out of the range of possibility someone will be able to design a digital unit that can be put in film cameras? Right now there is probably not much demand for such a piece of technology but in 10 years when you have to send your C41 film off to the only lab that still developes for a two week turnaround there might be. At that point maybe the hurdles that keep it from being a reality now will have been worked out. I know if I had the mechanical capacity for such endeavors I'd be soldering on my old AE-1 as we speak. Â Demand would be tiny... The "digital unit on a mech body" I speculated some posts before, not engineered for the needs of film camera compatibility, would be easier to build, more marketable and a source of add-on sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted June 6, 2012 Share #134 Â Posted June 6, 2012 It is worth considering, mutatis mutandis in the context of the present debate on the "end of film" and the advent of the Leica M Monochrom, an editorial piece from Leica Fotographie Number 5/1964, p. 181: Â HAS BLACK-AND-WHITE A FUTURE? Â "If we were to take seriously some of the current advertising and statistical overstatements we might well conclude that the end of black-and-white photography is close upon us; the advance of colour photography cannot be stayed, and it is only a question of time before it completely ousts black-and-white, relegating it to an insignificant role. How far, in such a pronouncement, the wish is a father to the thought remains to be seen. Certainly commercial considerations will play their part, for the industry lives by turnover, not by ideals and aesthetic considerations. With the aim of throwing some light on this question we have organized a questionnaire, covering so far as possible all the interests involved, asking for an expression of opinion... It is a comforting thought (and a little consideration must show that it is only to be expected) that almost all the replies showed agreement that colour photography was destined to gain in importance and scope, but that black-and-white photography would by no means become extinct in consequence... We may therefore look to the future with confidence, discounting any probability that the prophecies, so loudly raised by astute publicity men, that the end of black-and-white is upon us, will be borne out in fact." [my emphasis] Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.poulton Posted June 6, 2012 Share #135 Â Posted June 6, 2012 When are we going to see a digital M that is the same size as an M6? Â Or M4/3/2/P? Â Whenever I see an M8/9/m, they always look to me kind of chubby, middle age spread syndrome, not the lean, toned body that the M's used to have (forgetting the M5 which was just plain large) Â Â Christian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornellfrancis Posted June 6, 2012 Share #136 Â Posted June 6, 2012 It is worth considering, mutatis mutandis in the context of the present debate on the "end of film" and the advent of the Leica M Monochrom, an editorial piece from Leica Fotographie Number 5/1964, p. 181:Â HAS BLACK-AND-WHITE A FUTURE? Â "If we were to take seriously some of the current advertising and statistical overstatements we might well conclude that the end of black-and-white photography is close upon us; the advance of colour photography cannot be stayed, and it is only a question of time before it completely ousts black-and-white, relegating it to an insignificant role. How far, in such a pronouncement, the wish is a father to the thought remains to be seen. Certainly commercial considerations will play their part, for the industry lives by turnover, not by ideals and aesthetic considerations. With the aim of throwing some light on this question we have organized a questionnaire, covering so far as possible all the interests involved, asking for an expression of opinion... It is a comforting thought (and a little consideration must show that it is only to be expected) that almost all the replies showed agreement that colour photography was destined to gain in importance and scope, but that black-and-white photography would by no means become extinct in consequence... We may therefore look to the future with confidence, discounting any probability that the prophecies, so loudly raised by astute publicity men, that the end of black-and-white is upon us, will be borne out in fact." [my emphasis] Â Â That's great. Thanks for sharing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted June 6, 2012 Share #137  Posted June 6, 2012 In the US, A&I, a highly-respected company in California, quit processing color slide film ilast December. We're essentially left with one color slide processor in the lower 48. It's not the film I'm worried about, but the processing availability.  Here is one E6 lab in the lower 48 U.S. that is often overlooked but does outstanding work. This is where I have my E6 processing done now that doing it myself no longer produces any real savings in terms of cost:  E-6 Film Processing | Digital Scanning | Slide Imprinting | Historical Processor Chrome | AGX Imaging  The prices are well within reason - according to their website their prices are as follows: 135 mounted: $8.00 135 sleeved: $6.50 120 sleeved: $5.50 220 sleeved: $10.00  This beats a local processor who charges $11.00 for 135 and $7.00 for 120.  If you give AGX imaging a try, you won't be disappointed. I have used them for years and never have had any problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted June 6, 2012 Share #138  Posted June 6, 2012 In the US, A&I, a highly-respected company in California, quit processing color slide film ilast December. We're essentially left with one color slide processor in the lower 48. It's not the film I'm worried about, but the processing availability.  After Dave Alexander and James Ishihara sold A&I to the Lepejian family, things started to change and the company is not the same as it once was in its 'glory' days. And the Icon in LA (on Wilshire) has pretty much taken over the old clientele of A&I.  Where is this "one place" left? If you meant to say in LA, there are still plenty of places to get E6 processed. And there are plenty of places throughout the US.  To say "essentially left with one color slide processor in the lower 48" just because A&I decided to stop running E-6 is 100% erroneous. I live in a small beach town on the Pacific Ocean and there are TWO places here for E6 processing. If I want to mail order or just drive down the road, I have numerous choices for E6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 6, 2012 Share #139 Â Posted June 6, 2012 +1 on for nyc metro ..... also was in LA a couple weeks ago and visited Samy's on Fairfax. Quite the photo supermarket, had all sorts of film and pretty quick turnaround on developing and scanning .... but, of course, being out there you them. just wanted to let others know that in major metro areas in the US using film is not quite as simple as it was but it is far from difficult to buy and process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gberger Posted June 6, 2012 Share #140 Â Posted June 6, 2012 Guys, Mea Culpa! Â Thanks for the input on where to get color trannies processed. I'm restricted to using snail mail for processing. Â I had been using A&I for years as a lab favored by B&H, and bought A&I mailers from them. Also used the National Geographic lab in Washington DC until my physical capability to get there diminished. Â Still have several bricks of of Astia and Velvia in the freezer that should last a while. Â Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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