jaapv Posted March 6, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Primed by the "Double Click" discussions, I put my two M8 bodies side by side and listened carefully to the shutter. There was a surprise. Both are on 1.092. Both camera's were the same level of sound. Not as pronounced as some posters report. But: Camera 31053xx, second gen from December/January sounded deeper, more damped than camera 31011xx, from October/November, which had a more metallic sound. That made the double click less pronounced on the newer camera. There are two possibilities. There is a natural variation between the shutter sound of different camera's.I do not believe that to be the case. So Leica did "something" to the resonance or the damping of the shutter in the second generation. Â To be clear, I find both camera's sufficiently quiet, better than any DSLR I know and certainly better than a M film camera on a winder, which is the correct comparison. I do wish for stealth mode though, where the shutter would only cock when the finger is removed from the button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rosuna Posted March 6, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter, like the R-D1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 6, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter, like the R-D1. Â Absolutely. I strongly second that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 6, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter, like the R-D1. Â I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter in addition to the motor drive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 6, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I would also have loved a manual lever, either by itself, or perhaps when left pushed in, the motor would have done the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 6, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Why is the shutter necessary? Why can't the camera be ready to capture whatever is on the sensor at the moment a circuit is closed? Â No shutter sound, no mechanism. Â What am I missing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nryn Posted March 6, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think Leica really missed a golden opportunity to integrate some kind of Rube Goldberg device for shutter cocking in the M8. You know, drop a marble down a tube, which sets off some dominos, which in turn drops a snack in front of a gerbil, whose weight actuates a lever which turns on a toaster which eventually sets off a smoke alarm which causes a feral cat to paw at a mirror which reflects light into a glass of wine which burns plastic a lenscap which drips onto a spoon which pops a thimble into a glass which spills water onto a paper towel which breaks, sending a bowling ball into a twirly doohicky which moves the shutter thing. Â Sorry, on cold medication today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 6, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted March 6, 2007 But... that is how it is done! I have seen the blue-prints! Â *cough* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco_rol Posted March 6, 2007 Share #9  Posted March 6, 2007 I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter in addition to the motor drive  Same here - I'd like the option to use either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share #10  Posted March 6, 2007 Why is the shutter necessary? Why can't the camera be ready to capture whatever is on the sensor at the moment a circuit is closed? No shutter sound, no mechanism.  What am I missing?  You know, I can't figure that one out either. No live preview on larger sensors I can understand, cooling problems etc. But switching it on for a fraction of a second? But it seems all camera makers do it this way on large sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 6, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted March 6, 2007 You know, I can't figure that one out either. No live preview on larger sensors I can understand, cooling problems etc. But switching it on for a fraction of a second? But it seems all camera makers do it this way on large sensors. Â An electronic "activation -capture" would save a whole lot of parts -- AND be silent. We deserve this (I am adding it to the very long list of things I deserve). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 6, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Has it crossed anyones mind that the change in shutter may have something to do with the failures with the LCD going down and the lockups. Seriously not sure about this but the more I think about it , it makes you wonder why it is there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share #13 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Hmmm. LCD...Has anybody got this instant review feature switched on? I find it blinds me when I shoot in low light: click (or now: click-click ) and a flash in your left eye. I guess one needs a place to look at menu's and things, but the bottom of the camera would have served, as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidStone Posted March 6, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter, like the R-D1. Just hang around for a year or so, until the initial excitement dies down, and then there's sure to be the Retro version, complete with lever-wind, and black paint finish. And the Special Editions, of course. Â David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucek Posted March 6, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted March 6, 2007 You know, I can't figure that one out either. No live preview on larger sensors I can understand, cooling problems etc. But switching it on for a fraction of a second? But it seems all camera makers do it this way on large sensors. Â You need the shutter to be able to create dark frames which are used in long exposures to subtract out the noise caused by said exposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 6, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted March 6, 2007 You need the shutter to be able to create dark frames which are used in long exposures to subtract out the noise caused by said exposure. Â It seems to me that a reference black exposure could be created some other way. Â For example, surely every M8 owner would be glad to take a picture with the lens cap on as part of the startup procedure. Â Gimme a silent shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted March 6, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I would have preferred a wind lever for cocking the shutter, like the R-D1. Not here ....that "feature" costed me countles shots during the 2,5 years i use the R-D1, just missing decisive moments because i forgot to rewind! Never get used to that ...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted March 6, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Why is there a shutter? Â On other cameras, at least, it seems that exposures of certain lengths (I don't remember the article I read, maybe real short?) can't be accurately measured by just doing on/off for the sensor, and a shutter is needed. May have had something to do with some bounce in the sensor response curve, also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share #19 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Somehow this thread seems to have drifted away from the original subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 6, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted March 6, 2007 For example, surely every M8 owner would be glad to take a picture with the lens cap on as part of the startup procedure. Bill-- The advantage of doing it immediately after the exposure is that the darkframe subtraction can take care of current noise levels, which might not be the same if the lenscap exposure had been made half an hour before. Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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