sdai Posted March 6, 2007 Share #61 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) What's a Mark's "long light", Jamie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Hi sdai, Take a look here New Firmware 1.092 thoughts/ Read instructions. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted March 6, 2007 Share #62 Â Posted March 6, 2007 It may be V1.092 makes changes to the layout of the flash memory used to store user selections which is not restored if you revert to V1.09 so that it will be reading data in a format it doesn't (fully) understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 6, 2007 Share #63  Posted March 6, 2007 ... Bill--if you take a burst of 10 shots, the camera returns control to you much faster than you're counting at 40 some odd seconds--you should be able to take more shots as the buffer clears; you don't have to wait to shoot... BUT you have to wait to chimp till the entire buffer is cleared[/b], so if you're shooting continuously, shoot RAW plus JPEG and increase the review time a bit; the camera will always flash the first shot in the sequence up before it resumes writing.  This is an important difference, shooting is given priority, and that's the way it should be!  If you keep filling the buffer, eventually you will get the 'writing data' message, but that's not a particularly bad thing. Then you have to wait a few seconds to squeeze another shot off. So unless you have something super-spectacular going on, you're better to shoot in 'bursts' and always have a little buffer left.  Jamie, thanks for stating that so clearly. I was aware that I can shoot after some of the bugger has been cleard, and have been doing that. The experiment was to try to estimate the write time.  When I've been in a shooting frenzy, for example during an in-studio dance shoot, I have waited some seconds for the camera to free up and continued to shoot. The shooting priority works well -- now, how about a bigger buffer?  You know: "what have you done for me today?"  This buffer is a tremendous advantage -- getting rid of the millstone around my neck with regard to this problem in the D2. Even a 10-shot buffer has made my life magical.  Have I mentioned that I'm still losing sleep because of this camera. You read in many hunting accounts how important it is to stand still in the woods in order not to alert the game to your presence. That has *nothing* on lying still so as not to wake up the bride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 6, 2007 Share #64 Â Posted March 6, 2007 BTW--the shutter is definitely clickier at the beginning of the shot. Not annoyingly so, but it's there. I'm glad it's on purpose. Â Yes, but does anyone know what the purpose of it is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 6, 2007 Share #65 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Jaap--it only happens under very specific conditions, but I think it's pretty widespread, personally. I don't see how this could affect some cameras and not others. Â Jamie, I cannot replicate it - I tried. Those that have the smear can replicate it at will. If it is a problem with the light seal, as Mark analyzes, that could well be subject to manufacturing variation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eikonphoto Posted March 6, 2007 Share #66 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Another day, another firmware update. Â Software being quirky, and having read the postings on 1.092 thus far, I'm wondering whether it is really worth upgrading until they get into future updates, even waiting for 1.10? Â The update has had a very positve effect in two areas. 1. The LCD. With the lcd off, by M8 would often show stripes - not bright stripes, but strips of lighter color background. I am pleased to say these are now gone. I had looked at these as predictions of future doomed lcd. 2. The auto balance, which I considered unusable (I have been only manual white balancing) is very significantly better (at least on my camera!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 6, 2007 Share #67 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Happens to both of mine, but much more likely to occur with a fast lens, wide open. The effect depends on the amount of light striking the sensor, not the actual exposure. Â Oh, and I tried downgrading (or maybe we should just call it side-grading) to 1.09 and it's fine with a quick test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami G Posted March 6, 2007 Share #68 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I have just upgraded to the new firmware. I do hear the new pre-click... It is impossible to ignore and sounds very "not right"... It simply sounds like I am shooting 1/4 or 1/8th of a second. To me it sounds like a bug. I wonder if it has any affect on the shutter lag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted March 6, 2007 Share #69 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I upgraded to the latest and love it as I did with the leaked version last week. No glitches, no problems. Upon turning on the camera the battery indicator turns on as well as the shots remaining. Everything works as normal and I do notice a different sound in the shutter but its slight. Doesnt bother me. if it helps prevent my M8 from dying that is all I care about. AWB is better (thank you Leica!) and the black bar is great as well. I am happy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted March 6, 2007 Share #70 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I tired duplicating streaking with a bright halogen lamp at various places from in frame to out of frame and could not duplicate the streaking with Rokkor 40mm at f2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 6, 2007 Share #71 Â Posted March 6, 2007 John, the band is 24 pixels wide at each end, which represents a band less than 1% wide of the total image width at each end and you need to keep in mind that the viewfinder frames are not 100% accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted March 6, 2007 Share #72 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I haven't updated the firmware yet, as I'm waiting for a little more confirmation that no glitches are inherent first. Â Have you guys seen if this fixes the vertical banding to right of center? Â Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 6, 2007 Share #73 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Well I will bring this up at PMA . One reason I started this thread was to get data so i can ask questions at PMA on 1.092. At some point i will summarize this for myself to take with me and also point to this thread , so this is good data. They did fix many things and looks like there are a couple things that need some work . I don't think we should expect everything done in one update but the faster we can get these things under control than the better we will be. i would imagine they had a long list and cherry picked what was most important to do first or very easy to do right off the bat. there maybe other things in this firmware that are not engaged also and still under test. i am expecting to see more of these until 1.10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted March 6, 2007 Share #74 Â Posted March 6, 2007 I upgraded to the latest and love it as I did with the leaked version last week. No glitches, no problems. Upon turning on the camera the battery indicator turns on as well as the shots remaining. Everything works as normal and I do notice a different sound in the shutter but its slight. Doesnt bother me. if it helps prevent my M8 from dying that is all I care about. AWB is better (thank you Leica!) and the black bar is great as well. I am happy! Â Â So far, my experiences is the same, love it and hope this will keep my M8 from dying on me....and the AWB is clearly improved, startup time improved, chimp time improved, and so on, i also hear a different shutter sound, but only in a positive way....keep on working, Leica you are moving in the right direction... Â But some very important things are still missing, like: Â 1. The vertical stripe from "in front of lens" light sources, is still evident :-( and so is the green/yellow stripe, which seldom but once in a while occurs from bright light sources.... Â 2. DNG (only) with a B&W preview, like the DMR, and a bunch of other system cameras.. (should be an easy fix, so why dont they...?) Â Â 3. Lens selection option "in meny" like the Nikon D2 lineup, would solve a lot of compatibility issues... (Come on Leica, is far more important to keep your customers happy than earning a few bucks on the time cosuming lens coding business...) Â 4. Of course the magenta/cyan vignetting fix... Â 5. Would love the feature, again like the Nikon D2 series, to be able to put in a name/copyright notice straight to every images exif info from the meny (the add comment feature...) works great and keep's scatter brains like me from forgetting to copyright my images... Â So come on Leica, keep them coming... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted March 6, 2007 Share #75 Â Posted March 6, 2007 John, the band is 24 pixels wide at each end, which represents a band less than 1% wide of the total image width at each end and you need to keep in mind that the viewfinder frames are not 100% accurate. Â Mark, I took about 7 shots moving the camera so the lamp started outside of the visible frame and moving closer in small steps until it was in the frame and I never saw what was posted earlier on any of the shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 6, 2007 Share #76 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Well I will bring this up at PMA . One reason I started this thread was to get data so i can ask questions at PMA on 1.092. I haven't tried a lot of things yet since I've got my camera so I'm just feeling great (when I'm not seeing any of these dreadful things) Â But, this is definitely the MOST FREQUENT firmware upgrades in modern camera history I believe ... when you get there, Guy ... make sure you ask, please ... can Leica drill down to the root cause of the problems and provide a hardware fix??? Â How long did it take Nikon to upgrade the D40 from 6MP to 10MP? Â Just under 4 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronJ Posted March 6, 2007 Share #77 Â Posted March 6, 2007 The only weirdness I have experienced so far is that my M8 seems to think that my 512mb card is a 1gb card now. Every time I turn on, the LCD reads 74 shots remaining (it should read 29 as I have eight shots on the card and a 512mb holds 37.) I went in to check that it is set at DNG and not JPG and indeed it is still set at DNG. Once I perform this check, the LCD returns to the correct shot count -- 29. However, when I turn the camera off and then on again, it returns to 74. I'm using a SanDisk Ultra II card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 6, 2007 Share #78 Â Posted March 6, 2007 It's always possible that some cameras are more susceptible than others, both of mine bought at different times show the problem at will and a number of other people have shown the problem. Jaap's appear not to, so does yours. Â My suggested firmware fix to Leica would suit any camera because the key is to do a sanity check on the reference pixels to determine if any are out of bounds. If in doubt, the camera can always do a test exposure in the dark with the shutter closed to get a reference set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 6, 2007 Share #79 Â Posted March 6, 2007 It's always possible that some cameras are more susceptible than others, both of mine bought at different times show the problem at will and a number of other people have shown the problem. Jaap's appear not to, so does yours. Â Which brings up a question regarding quality control and tolerances, btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 6, 2007 Share #80 Â Posted March 6, 2007 Which brings up a question regarding quality control and tolerances, btw. it also brings up the option of returning the camera under warranty if the problem only exists in some bodies. ....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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