sdai Posted September 16, 2012 Share #281 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder how many people use digital M's primarily as a vehicle for leica M lenses? Â That's exactly my question ... if I were forbidden from using Leica lenses, my interest in a rangefiner will diminish by half instantly. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted September 16, 2012 Share #282 Â Posted September 16, 2012 It may even appeal to more people who are not the traditional Leica users. This will be a small full frame mirrorless camera that can use quite a few lenses from other cameras too. Â The problem with the M is that its register distance isn't short enough ... so thinner competitors will always have the upper hand in grabbing new users in the adapters game - and Leica is simply no match to their Japanese peers in terms of electronic gadgetry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 16, 2012 Share #283 Â Posted September 16, 2012 An M with live view would still be an M, i.e. a rangefinder camera. Â I agree, a M should stay true to its name but, to those who don't fancy the rangefiner, Leica certainly shouldn't miss the opportunity to built a CSC model sporting the native M mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 16, 2012 Share #284  Posted September 16, 2012 Any new 'pure Leica' camera including the M10 could likely have a Truesense Imaging sensor ... with whom Leica have been working for the development of future sensors. Truesense sensors are used in the cameras installed on NASA's Curiousity - the Mars Rover.  dunk  I understand that Truesense is an American firm, correct me if I'm wrong. For that reason, it won't be in the "M 10" . I know that the sensor will be a European one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 16, 2012 Share #285 Â Posted September 16, 2012 I agree, a M should stay true to its name but, to those who don't fancy the rangefiner, Leica certainly shouldn't miss the opportunity to built a CSC model sporting the native M mount. Â You can then think of an M with Live View and optional EVF having 4 different viewfinder options - Rangefinder, EVF, LCD, Aux Finder. None of them suitable for all situations, all compromised. Â I'm not sure Leica would ever do it, but they could make a version of the camera with the expensive viewfinder omitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 16, 2012 Share #286 Â Posted September 16, 2012 I understand that Truesense is an American firm, correct me if I'm wrong. For that reason, it won't be in the "M 10" .I know that the sensor will be a European one. Â Assuming your source of information is correct, your quoted "M10" - are you telling us it's not going to be called that? I can certainly imagine that with a 3 year model replacement cycle, the numbers get a bit meaningless and what happens when you reach 13? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share #287  Posted September 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) You are not paying attention.  Now just what 'special something' do you think Leica would have to add to the sensor? And just how different a look does a CCD have from a CMOS?  .  Pico, I would say the opposite. The M CCD sensors do have a different look to CMOS based I have seen many pictures side by side with Leica glass on 5D II and the results are different.  Read Puts review on the 8 and 9 and he makes reference to the nature of the response curve to light and the differences between them  I have compared many shots of the same scene with friends DSLR cameras, usually with Japanese glass or Zeiss and they have a look that is different as well  Many talk about exposing to the right with CMOS as there is more graduation at the top end, the CCD is different in this respect according to the experts  In any event M8 and M9's do have a different look to DSLR images that I have seen are you finding no difference ?  This is not a new debate, I don't think any lack of attention is relavent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted September 16, 2012 Share #288 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Shot a great wedding yesterday, I'll be very interested to find out on Monday why my M9 will suddenly become not fit for that purpose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 16, 2012 Share #289 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Better put it outside. It might explode... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share #290  Posted September 16, 2012 I am very happy with my 9 and won't be changing but very interested to see where Leica go with the M and particularly sensors  I guess it's like talking about new cars your not about to buy ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 16, 2012 Share #291 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Assuming your source of information is correct, your quoted "M10" - are you telling us it's not going to be called that? I can certainly imagine that with a 3 year model replacement cycle, the numbers get a bit meaningless and what happens when you reach 13? Â Â I don't know if it will be called M10. I think it will, but my source is not specifically clear about that, hence the " M10 ". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted September 16, 2012 Share #292 Â Posted September 16, 2012 I am still not sure if there will be a M10. M9-E probably makes a lot of sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 16, 2012 Share #293 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Are there any European imaging sensor manufacturers? Jenoptik? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted September 16, 2012 Share #294 Â Posted September 16, 2012 ST Microelectronics http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.sg/2011/11/st-quietly-demos-full-format-dslr.html http://www.lesnumeriques.com/entreprises-francaises-high-tech-a1543/stmicroelectronics-geant-invisible-ap841.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 16, 2012 Share #295 Â Posted September 16, 2012 M9-E? Â Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted September 16, 2012 Share #296 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Just me thinking aloud. Â I don't believe Leica will make a radical move from the clearly successful M9-P and M9-M to a completely new model dropping the M9-P. Â I think the jump will be incremental at best. A new sensor, external view finder and little more electronics. Hence called M9-E and sold alongside the M9-P and M9-M. Â There will be another model however that completely drops all rangefinder functionality and offers full electronics positioned between the X and the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted September 16, 2012 Share #297 Â Posted September 16, 2012 because we have run out of things on which to speculate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 16, 2012 Share #298 Â Posted September 16, 2012 A new sensor, external view finder and live view = M10 Â These changes are substantial enough to defend an increase in model from 9 to 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share #299  Posted September 16, 2012 Just me thinking aloud. I don't believe Leica will make a radical move from the clearly successful M9-P and M9-M to a completely new model dropping the M9-P.  I think the jump will be incremental at best. A new sensor, external view finder and little more electronics. Hence called M9-E and sold alongside the M9-P and M9-M.  There will be another model however that completely drops all rangefinder functionality and offers full electronics positioned between the X and the M.  Leica moved from M9M to MM quite quickly I assumed this was to stop the MM being out of date when the M10 is introduced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafenio Posted September 16, 2012 Share #300 Â Posted September 16, 2012 A new sensor, external view finder and live view = M10 Â It's not going to be called M10. That's for sure. EVF: yes. Proper SD Card reader and firmware without lockups: yes, probably. M-lenses supported: yes. Focus-peaking: yes. Body style: smaller and lighter than M9-p, but built like a tank. Tomorrow we'll know more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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