bobkatz Posted March 5, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Guys.... I need your help, since I am an amateur, but love all leica stuff, I have posibility to get a Leica IIIg 98795x from internet, with an elmar 1:4 90mm lens no. 80964x. the final price 300 euros. Is this a good price?, is a secure way to buy an item?, what happen if the camera is in bad conditions, may I recover my money? I think the guy wanna be the deal via Ebay...Thanks in adavance...Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mooky Posted March 5, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 5, 2007 I can't comment accurately about the dollar - euro exchange, but it sounds a little on the low price end of what it should be. What should it be? The easiest way is to ask on sites like this. But also go to Tamarkin, or KEH sites and others to check the prices for used Leica screw-mount. Chances are, the camera has been serviced at some time, but by whom? It's not unusual for parts to be swapped with older 'bits' and the better ones kept for a better 're-build' then the purchaser buys it unseen, or 'as-is'. The main point is, if they are promising something cheap, there is a good chance the equipment won't be as advertised, or the seller doesn't know what they have......The IIIG was the last screw-mount from Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldjr33 Posted March 6, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 6, 2007 I bought a near mint Leica IIIG a few months back at about $1100.00 US without a lens on Ebay. I watched for several months for a good price and contacted the seller who guaranteed the condition of the camera. He was right, the camera is in like new mint condition. The serial no. is 889XXX . I believe a 300 Euro IIIG with lenses in any top condition would be a rarity. You might consider the camera might be a Leica III small 'g' which was a 1930's model of the early Leica III or "G' model. 300 Euro would be about right for a 1930's camera with lens. That is my best guess... Harold Lowe Jr. LEICA IIIc; IIIG, M3; M4; M6; M6TTL; R5: and most all lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 6, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 6, 2007 300 Euros for a IIIG with Elmar 90 would be a real bargain price: I suppose it is not in good cosmetic conditions, otherwise the seller would be a totally incompetent owner. It is an excellent price even if the body is simply working : consider that in Italy You can have a IIIG professionaly revamped for 250 to 300 Euro, resulting in a very aprreciable item; the lens is common, but if unscratched worth at least 120-150 Euros by itself. Are you sure is not a forgry, or simply the base offer for a tender ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 6, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 6, 2007 300 Euros is a lot less than the usual cost - the price being asked is arround £200 or $400 - and that would make me suspicious. Until recently the normal rate for a IIIG and lens would have been around 1500 Euros. Be very careful. It could be someone who doesn't know what it's really worth, or it could be a scam. There haven't been any IIIG forgeries as far as I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkatz Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Friends: Thanks very much for your time and comments. These are some photos the seller send me. He told me I will have a week for testing the camera and if I dont like the camera status, i will receive a refund from a deposit he has on eBay, is this OK? is this the way this works?. the camera is from 1960, and he said is originall 100%. Best regards....Bob:confused: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17930-leica-iiighelp/?do=findComment&comment=191655'>More sharing options...
bobkatz Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted March 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) more photos.....thanks... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17930-leica-iiighelp/?do=findComment&comment=191663'>More sharing options...
Moritz Posted March 6, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 6, 2007 Bob, this is a special edition black paint swedish crown IIIg, it is worth thousands of dollars... So it's probably an ebay scam, can you specify your source please. Regards Moritz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lll Posted March 6, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 6, 2007 Please take the other five "3Crowns Swedish Army" too. I´ll take them for 3000Euro each :-) Too nice to be true! If it´s true, be careful that the seller does not read here... Friedhelm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkatz Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted March 6, 2007 OK.....this is what Im gonna do: I will pay 300 euros -no credit card- just 300 euros. If I receive a replica leica, then maybe the price is a little bit high, but if I receive an original.....wowowowo I will be a lucky guy. But if I receive nothing, then I will be one more more defrauded guy in internet....But I dont wanna think this was real and let it go. So lets see what happen..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 6, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 6, 2007 OK.....this is what Im gonna do: I will pay 300 euros -no credit card- just 300 euros. If I receive a replica leica, then maybe the price is a little bit high, but if I receive an original.....wowowowo I will be a lucky guy. But if I receive nothing, then I will be one more more defrauded guy in internet....But I dont wanna think this was real and let it go. So lets see what happen..... I checked the number: it really belongs to the batch of special IIIGs for the Swedish Army ("Three Crowns") : as other say, a supercollectible item, 125 made, valued in the range of THOUSANDS Euro... strange, strange, strange: would it have been simply a IIIG, not fine... but the three crown is WELL KNOWN in the collector's world... I can imagine a forgery based on a real IIIG... but would be stupid to sell it so cheap... does not worth the job... Another possibility... a STOLEN item. The lens seems OLDER (Elmar 90 of 1950) it too is not so common, seems to be an "all chrome" Elmar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadHahn Posted March 6, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 6, 2007 OK.....this is what Im gonna do: I will pay 300 euros -no credit card- just 300 euros. If I receive a replica leica, then maybe the price is a little bit high, but if I receive an original.....wowowowo I will be a lucky guy. But if I receive nothing, then I will be one more more defrauded guy in internet....But I dont wanna think this was real and let it go. So lets see what happen..... Ask him for a photo of him holding the camera or a picture of the camera on todays paper. Otherwise you are going to lose 300 euros. Maybe you don't care about losing your money but I would be more cautious before I threw away that kind of money. Let me state again, I am 99.999% certain that you will not receive a camera and ebay doesn't have accounts where you can get your money back. Chad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 6, 2007 Share #13 Posted March 6, 2007 The only one I found Leica IIIG black paint 100% Original condition! en vente sur eBay.fr (Achat de l'objet 130084954959 - fin le 07-Mar-07 11:42:35 Paris) But not 300 euros Run away man ! Good luck JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkatz Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted March 7, 2007 Friends: This is a copy of the mail "DHL" sent to me...it this a fake? DHL really works like this in the internet transactions?, someone has had an experience with DHL?...Thannks:( Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17930-leica-iiighelp/?do=findComment&comment=192909'>More sharing options...
harmsr Posted March 7, 2007 Share #15 Posted March 7, 2007 Bob, RUN AWAY FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DHL is a shipping company, not an escrow broker and not a firm that can inspect a Leica LTM camera to tell you it is in proper Leica spec. Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moritz Posted March 7, 2007 Share #16 Posted March 7, 2007 Bob, this a fake fo 100%. Stay away!!! Regards Moritz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 7, 2007 Share #17 Posted March 7, 2007 Save youself some money. Send me 200 Euros instead. Run away, it's a scam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 7, 2007 Share #18 Posted March 7, 2007 I think that, at this point, all of us are anxious to know how this story ends... Eastern Europe is well known as a source of "special" forgeries... In Poland they built even some LEICAs 250 !!! (not easy to build, holds 10 meters of film); waiting for the next message on the thread...it seems something shall arrive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 7, 2007 Share #19 Posted March 7, 2007 Luigi, I don't think this will turn out to be a forged IIIG. If that was the case the seller wouldn't bother with this DHL nonsense, he'd just accept the money and send out the forgery. I think this seller will take the money and nothing will arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 7, 2007 Share #20 Posted March 7, 2007 Luigi, I don't think this will turn out to be a forged IIIG. If that was the case the seller wouldn't bother with this DHL nonsense, he'd just accept the money and send out the forgery. I think this seller will take the money and nothing will arrive. I did not read the details of the DHL document : have not experience about, but after reading it, I think your hipotesis can be well right: the document is ridicolus: what hell is the "Technical Team" they speak of ? People who knows something about IIIG of '60 ? What hell is the "Warranty from the seller" they say to have "checked" ? My only hesitation is that DHL is a worldwide reknown brand: do they like to be associated to such kind of pirating sales ? Leica User Forum is not an important pressure group, but think that if this story ends as we prospect, all of us shall have the opportunity to talk about DHL in no kind terms... I run a company that makes use of transportation companies : I shall be glad to discuss as happens with the DHL representative I know saying him "oh oh, You know ? your company has links with some kind of people...let me explain....I evaluate if is worth to go on with You... never heard about UPS?...". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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