New Summicron

[Fgcm]

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If the Euro crisis deepens and Greece goes out of Euro, mybe you can get a 20% or 30% unexpected discount in USD.

 

Bad news every day from Eurozone that could turn into good news for who pays Leica gear in USD or GBP.

Just wait a month or two to see whats going on.

 

Fgcm

 

(from Italy)

[Double Negative]

Hmm, good point... But if the Euro tanks it'll take us all down.

[andybarton]

Agreed. If Greece leave, Spain and others are likely to follow, which will be extremely bad news for all of us. We won't know what's hit us.

[Ellie]

Not clear how is the hood of the new Summicron. I mean the hood, not the hood's price. Any idea?

 

I just saw a nice picture of the hood sliding spiral in the event pics here http://www.reddotforum.com/content.php/224-Leica-s-May-10-Berlin-Event-The-Actual-Event! (almost at the bottom of the page)

[AlanG]

I think if you show the average person a Leica $50 lens cap and a generic $4.50 cap, they would tell you that you must be crazy to buy the $50 one.

 

And I'd suspect that if you shot a wide bunch of images with the "cheap" Summicron and a bunch with the expensive Summicron, and printed them all at 11x14, they would look about the same to most people too. So it will come down to what will be needed at the time of exposure to make any significant difference and how large will the prints need to be for anyone to be able to see those differences. And even then, what percentage of viewers would care?

[Hannes Lummes]

If the Euro crisis deepens and Greece goes out of Euro, mybe you can get a 20% or 30% unexpected discount in USD.

 

Bad news every day from Eurozone that could turn into good news for who pays Leica gear in USD or GBP.

Just wait a month or two to see whats going on.

 

Fgcm

 

(from Italy)

 

Well...not quite I think. Germany is now the safe heaven for capital from the trouble countries and as such should not suffer too much *unless* things go really bad.

 

As a whole Eurozone needs Euro devaluation, but as a single country Germany is superbly competitive. So, if Euro breaks apart, there will be, after a chaotic period, probably just as expensive German currency, whether Euro or something else.

 

But, to get back to the original topic:

 

Many people seem to concentrate too much on the resolution of the new summicron. Yesterday evening in the woods, taking close range pictures of the early summer magic here with cron 50, I once again notice, and for the first time actually suffered quite a bit of the color anomalies of it. Close range resolution is also not superb. So, for me, *if* I could afford the new cron it actually would make a difference every now and then, and it has nothing to do with normal range top resolution, but APO correction and floating element. I really wish these will be the things reviews concentrate on.

[Jeff S]

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I once again notice, and for the first time actually suffered quite a bit of the color anomalies of it. Close range resolution is also not superb. So, for me, *if* I could afford the new cron it actually would make a difference every now and then, and it has nothing to do with normal range top resolution, but APO correction and floating element. I really wish these will be the things reviews concentrate on.

 

Seems to me you'd be better off not reading reviews that put new thoughts in your head.

 

Jeff

[haroldp]

Yesterday evening in the woods, taking close range pictures of the early summer magic here with cron 50, I once again notice, and for the first time actually suffered quite a bit of the color anomalies of it. Close range resolution is also not superb. So, for me, *if* I could afford the new cron it actually would make a difference every now and then, and it has nothing to do with normal range top resolution, but APO correction and floating element. I really wish these will be the things reviews concentrate on.

 

Have you tried the new lens correction profiles in ACR (lightroom and CS5). I have not tried them for the 50 cron, but that type of LCA correction has been a miracle on some of my other lenses for similar problems.

 

Regards .... H

[Hannes Lummes]

This is what I'm talking about.

 

It's a crop to drive the point home, but easily visible when looking at the picture in full size on the screen. For me this spoils the picture.

 

This LOCA and weird color rings on specular highlights is of course greatly diminished when stopping down, but in this particular case I really would have liked to have beautiful and "full" bokeh.

 

With any decent APO correction and less ring effect on the bokeh in general this would look way better.

 

But then, of all the shots that evening, many look nicely fairy-tale-like just because some bokeh anomalies, but this shouldn't be any news for anyone using the lens in close range.

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[Fgcm]

Well...not quite I think. Germany is now the safe heaven for capital from the trouble countries and as such should not suffer too much *unless* things go really bad.

 

As a whole Eurozone needs Euro devaluation, but as a single country Germany is superbly competitive

 

on.

 

Germany is out of Maastricht ratios as well as all european countries. Germany is sailing The same boat as it's partners.

 

Sorry my friend, but no European country is safe without a huge devaluation of Euro.

Nor Germany, neither France or Austria

 

The true problem is that Germany do not understand how much better They could perform after a devaluation.

 

So let's devaluate Euro/Usd down to 1/1.

 

Good for us and for our American brothers loving Leica, Audi, Armani, hermes, Ducati, Brunello di Montalcino........

 

Fgcm

[Hannes Lummes]

So, to be fair, here is the other side of the coin. Just a little bit longer distance, different subject, nothing difficult in the picture in the troublesome transition zone, somewhat stopped down and the anomalies are small and only look "painterly" and interesting.

 

Any how, if just one lens should do *it all* I would not hesitate, APO and floating element would be the ticket.

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[AbbeyFoto]

Agreed. If Greece leave, Spain and others are likely to follow, which will be extremely bad news for all of us. We won't know what's hit us.

 

Andy,

 

I am not sure it is apt to pursue this topic here. Maybe it needs a thread in Barnack's Bar, but as you have added this comment, let me add to it. Let me know if you wish to move this comment. You are right in pointing to the uncertainty of what will happen if Greece exits. If that happens it will mean the Euro core has called the Greek's bluff and, in turn, Greece didn't blink. If the core has called the bluff it will be because they have done their sums. In particular, Merkel has assessed the outcome for Germany. In the short run the Euro will fall, but if the core has a decent plan then the new core Euro will have a stronger medium to long run future. I do not believe Germany will contemplate a complete break-up of the Euro, they have done well from having an effectively low exchange rate. Hollande will not sign up to a complete collapse of the Euro. At worst there will be a new core Euro, even if it difficult to predict it's exact form or composition.

 

In the medium term the "German centred Euro" will rise; Leica prices will not fall. Well that is my prediction. I admit it is based on looking at the fundamentals and the real trouble is the "banks" have failed to build on fundamentals so they may screw things up again. My position is based on an assessment of the politicians being more considerate of the medium to longer term. That will require Merkel to ease up on the "lady is not for turning".

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[rramesh]

I have no doubt the M10 will be one pricey mother...

I would not be surprised if the M10 becomes the first 10K EUR M.

[jaapv]

Not if Leica wants to sell it.

[stunsworth]

Not if Leica wants to sell it.

 

It would still sell - and the extra margin might more than compensate for lower sales. Leica have been heading towards the luxury plaything market for some time. That would just confirm it.

[Hannes Lummes]

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Thanks!

 

Better than I thought would be possible in one minute (I'm not much into digital tools) but absolutely ugly still and the tool has killed a lot of color that should be there.

[jaapv]

It would still sell - and the extra margin might more than compensate for lower sales. Leica have been heading towards the luxury plaything market for some time. That would just confirm it.

It would still sell, Steve, but not in the numbers Leica wants to sell. They need to keep in the price range of the top-end offerings of other brands. Remember the reason the R10 was dropped?

[stunsworth]

People stopped buying the R range because of the feature set not the price. Even Leica later admitted that the R8 should have had AF.

 

A high price high margin, but lower volume, M10 would allow Leica to attempt to address the backlog of lens orders while still maintaining cash flow.

 

I've no intention of being another armchair CEO bore, but a high priced M10 wouldn't surprise me, especially if there were significant improvements to the viewfinder.

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I agree that the camera at that high price would still sell, but the volumes would not match Leicas ambitions of increased market share. Unless this market share is going to be based on the new mirrorless camera....