Reds Posted May 10, 2012 Share #181 Posted May 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is a stop better than the M9 and you get to invest in a bunch of fiddly filters. Why didn't they introduce an M10 with 3-4 more stops of DR and if they wanted more resolution then fine, give the masses 36MP. I'd take that over a M9M any day. But, what do I know, I'm not an artsy B&W photographer. I don't even own a black t-shirt. They might yet ;-) I can recommend a Motorhead T-Shirt Rick ;-) It's more than just a stop-a-two surely though? The noise performance is better on top of that because of the lack of filters (I'm guessing this of course). Now B&W just need to make some colour and ND filters combined ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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plasticman Posted May 10, 2012 Share #182 Posted May 10, 2012 My take-away from this image on Leica's site is... well... color sensors are pretty crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 10, 2012 Share #183 Posted May 10, 2012 Will the non-ASPH 50 still be "available"? Only a guess, but: NO. They've already got a non-aspherical 50 for the low end in the Summarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reds Posted May 10, 2012 Share #184 Posted May 10, 2012 Just checked the sample images. Stunning. Would be cool to see what a pro could do with for example Coastal Optics apo macro 60 + D800E. Could be close or even better. But with wide angles....Leica wins. The Notre Dame sample image is breathtaking. Well worth a download look-see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 10, 2012 Share #185 Posted May 10, 2012 What do you mean?Regards, Simon All the Hermes editions always sell out quickly. As a money-spinner, it's a no brainier at those prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Lummes Posted May 10, 2012 Share #186 Posted May 10, 2012 Who cares if the MTFs on that 50AA are crazy since the rangefinder is only a bit better than ~1/2 DoF accurate (on par with a rebel's AF). Plus the Summilux outresolves the M9 over ~90% of the frame at F/2 already and is APO. Basically no discernible difference from the Lux except a higher price tag, smaller size, and slower aperture unless you put it on an Nex or something. No, Lux 50 isn't really APO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 10, 2012 Share #187 Posted May 10, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone mentioned that the M9M looks like it's black chrome - about the only thing going for it from where I stand. PLEASE Leica - offer this as an M9 upgrade variant and I'll give you my money.... What a fuss about not very much.... When Leica cries "WOLF" next time, how many villagers will come to help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 10, 2012 Share #188 Posted May 10, 2012 It IS black chrome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted May 10, 2012 Share #189 Posted May 10, 2012 One positive note from me though: apart from the first rather twee image of the girl in the playground, the photographs on Leica's site by Jacob Aue Sobol are stunning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Image Posted May 10, 2012 Share #190 Posted May 10, 2012 The M9 pulled the company back but I am fast becoming disillusioned with developments post 9/9/2009. I want it to be more than a luxury brand and I am worried.... Very well thought out post and I agree. One could argue if the company was growing with the curve technology wise that the MM is a nice alternative but the real advances are being saved for the M10. Unfortunately with the release of an almost identical X2 it looks like that is not the case and there actually might be a vacuum of original design and technological ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reds Posted May 10, 2012 Share #191 Posted May 10, 2012 Anyone know if it still has an IR-Cut filter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 10, 2012 Share #192 Posted May 10, 2012 Very well thought out post and I agree. One could argue if the company was growing with the curve technology wise that the MM is a nice alternative but the real advances are being saved for the M10. Unfortunately with the release of an almost identical X2 it looks like that is not the case and there actually might be a vacuum of original design and technological ability. This is marking time until September. That's when the real news comes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted May 10, 2012 Share #193 Posted May 10, 2012 Yes good point it's better to buy a M6 or M7 at a fraction of the price, control iso quicker and shoot specialty bw film and send the films to a cheap country like Indonesia or Poland for high quality developing for $1. I know lots of people who do that and the results will be more stunning then the "new" M9 monochrome. A number of people have noted sending film out to other countries for processing. Maybe this thread isn't the appropriate one, but I sure would appreciate details that include name and address. Thanks Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 10, 2012 Share #194 Posted May 10, 2012 That's great for you Andy. I'll actually miss the magazine because otherwise I enjoyed it. But articles by Michael denigrating film in order to make digital sensors look better consistently reminded me that the magazine is also an additional promotional channel for Leica, and I lost faith in it. I agree it's a crap magazine. It's just a piece of puff for Leica AG (that is often quite nauseating to read at times) but I respect Michael's opinions on matters digital and am quite interested to read what he has to say about the new M-Monochrom. Personally speaking, I don't really care what Michael thinks about film – it's been around long enough for me to make up my own mind about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp12 Posted May 10, 2012 Share #195 Posted May 10, 2012 No, Lux 50 isn't really APO. It's as APO as the Summicron. The 50 Lux certainly focuses 3 wavelengths at the same focal plane. It's not up to the standards of the Sigma 150 or some of the voigtlander/Samyang/coastal optics lenses, but it's APO by Leica's definition. leica.overgaard.dk - Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - The Leica History - Page 1 I asked if the design was the same why the 75 was an APO lens and the 50 wasn’t. Here is a bit of a shocker… the 50 lux ASPH is an APO lens, containing an APO correction element. But, he thought the idea of an APO 50 was a bit silly so they never put it on the lens or in any marketing materials. Edit: an interesting sentiment... Who introduces an apochromatic lens and an achromatic body at the same time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 10, 2012 Share #196 Posted May 10, 2012 I love my wife:). I just said to her this morning: a new B&W-only M9 was announced last night. It supposedly delivers much better B&W images. Reply: well, you only shoot for B&W. So if you want it buy it....... Now I need to decide whether to get one and possibly upgrade my old M9 for the putative M10, or wait 'till Photokina and choose then. Such difficult decisions:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted May 10, 2012 Share #197 Posted May 10, 2012 It is a stop better than the M9 and you get to invest in a bunch of fiddly filters. Why didn't they introduce an M10 with 3-4 more stops of DR and if they wanted more resolution then fine, give the masses 36MP. I'd take that over a M9M any day. But, what do I know, I'm not an artsy B&W photographer. I don't even own a black t-shirt. Agree. As a stupidly dedicated Leica fanboy, I am in the "disappointed" camp. Sure there are marginal improvements for BW but not to justify another $8000. I am still waiting for a real M10, with a sensor like the D800E's but with Leica's touches. The X2 is a just a big yawn, and the Hermes editions are for collectors, not photographers. Gloom has set in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Image Posted May 10, 2012 Share #198 Posted May 10, 2012 I agree it's a crap magazine. It's just a piece of puff for Leica AG (that is often quite nauseating to read at times) but I respect Michael's opinions on matters digital and am quite interested to read what he has to say about the new M-Monochrom. Personally speaking, I don't really care what Michael thinks about film – it's been around long enough for me to make up my own mind about it. This isn't LFI's fault, you know what your getting when you buy it which I might add is some of the very best photography on the face of the earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 10, 2012 Share #199 Posted May 10, 2012 If I were to be interested in a Monochrome digital M (I'm not, my Rolleiflex, M4, IIf and Contax IIA fulfil that niche for me perfectly), the one glaring omission in my view is LED frame lines. We know that Leica can do this as they did it on the M9T. One is going to want to use this camera in very low light situations, where the current ambient light frames may just not work properly. Just my 2d worth. Wilson PS I note still no zoom for the S or has that quietly been dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 10, 2012 Share #200 Posted May 10, 2012 Sure there are marginal improvements for BW but not to justify another $8000. That rather depends upon whether you already have a digital M. For those of us who don't, it could be the only $8,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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