wlaidlaw Posted April 25, 2012 Share #21 Posted April 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilson, it is a lower price point if you already use Lightroom, otherwise the upgrade to CS6 from CS5 keeps all your datum points and adds a few more tricks. I have never understood the allure of Lightroom. Coming from a 'wet' darkroom background Photoshop makes me feel right at home, less a churning of images, more a contemplation of images. Most of it's functions are never used in general post processing, but what you are left is still a vast armoury. But I did buy Photoshop many years ago, so the 'new' price isn't of any consequence, and the upgrade is affordable when it comes every eighteen months. It's like having your darkroom redecorated on a regular basis and with new equipment. Steve Steve, I have never been able to get on with LR either. I have been a Capture One user since version 2 and a Photoshop user since version 4, which came bundled with my Leica Digilux Zoom in 1999. I use both CS4 in my PowerMac (the last universal app) and CS5 in the iMac and MPB. I will wait to see if they bring out the latest ACR engine for CS5 (why would they) before deciding whether to stop squeaking and lash out the £190 for an upgrade. I do like the new dark interface. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted April 25, 2012 Share #22 Posted April 25, 2012 The same here. I can do Photoshop and C1 even whilst half asleep, but Lightroom is always a struggle, so I never use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted April 27, 2012 Share #23 Posted April 27, 2012 That's starting to get a bit daft. Killer new feature worth two hundred quid? Andy, actually I used to think that about every Photoshop "new release" but this one is a huge leap.. there are many incredible features that for me are worth the upgrade. I have been using the Beta now since March 21rst, can't say enough good things about it. Cheers, JRM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted April 27, 2012 Share #24 Posted April 27, 2012 I am going to upgrade but then I am on CS3 which I bought over 3 years ago. I'm also upgrading to LR4. Combined it is about £250. If it lasts me 3 years again, I see it as £85 a year or £7 a month for my digital darkroom. However, I still feel that the software is overpriced but what are the alternatives? Adobe is in a dominant, monopoly situation and it shows. LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted April 27, 2012 Share #25 Posted April 27, 2012 Yes Louis, but in three years time it will cost you a lot more to keep pace with developments since you will have to buy the full photoshop not an upgrade. It is interesting that Adobe changed LR and ACR from process 2010 to process 2012, which basically makes LR4 incompatible with PSCS5. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 27, 2012 Share #26 Posted April 27, 2012 Adobe allow you to continue to buy upgrade on upgrade. I have done so since PS6 And LR4 works fine with PSCS5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted April 28, 2012 Share #27 Posted April 28, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Adobe allow you to continue to buy upgrade on upgrade. I have done so since PS6 And LR4 works fine with PSCS5 Thats true, as I was saying, the changes in this release are not minor tweaks to the GUI, but represent a major leap. I look at Photoshop and any software differently. For instance. is it native 64 bit? Can it use my 24 gigs of RAM? Does or can it use Open GL? Does it do multithreading? You see that's ALL before the Photoshop box of magic tricks. Its only been since Photoshop CS4 that the answer is yes and only since CS6 that yes in the 100% fullest sense. My Photoshop program boots up in 4 seconds, I can work on 1.5 gig images without having to "wait at every brush stroke or change. The images now can be moved fluidly, like a sheet of paper on an air vacuum The computer hardware setup I have is to be able to seriously crunch numbers and huge image files( for large detailed prints).. I need a version of Photoshop that can take advantage of all of that and only CS6 has come to maturity in that regards. So many things that have been happening in the PC/Linux( Mac) world in the last 3 years have been phenomenal, its nice to see a company like Adobe be up to speed on the "nuts and bolts" aspect of their programs, not just the cute stuff. Cheers, JRM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 28, 2012 Share #28 Posted April 28, 2012 Thats true, as I was saying, the changes in this release are not minor tweaks to the GUI, but represent a major leap. I look at Photoshop and any software differently. For instance. is it native 64 bit? Can it use my 24 gigs of RAM? Does or can it use Open GL? Does it do multithreading? I used CS5 on a Mac Pro with 16bg RAM and even with my largest file, the second bank of 8gb was never touched. Eventually I removed it and put it into a barren Pro for another employee. Newer CS on the Mac uses the graphics CPU (GPU) for many features. I was disappointed that my Pro could not use the latest and greatest GPU, even though Apple said "it will work", CS still could not exploit it. IOW, the latest GPU would not break the system, but it was a waste of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted April 28, 2012 Share #29 Posted April 28, 2012 I used CS5 on a Mac Pro with 16bg RAM and even with my largest file, the second bank of 8gb was never touched. Eventually I removed it and put it into a barren Pro for another employee. Newer CS on the Mac uses the graphics CPU (GPU) for many features. I was disappointed that my Pro could not use the latest and greatest GPU, even though Apple said "it will work", CS still could not exploit it. IOW, the latest GPU would not break the system, but it was a waste of money. Don't forget that Mac like Linux has a very tiny hardware footprint, it takes very little RAM to run things, Windows in the other hand is a Hog, right now I have CS6 using 11 gigs of my 16gigs on Windows 7, I think on a Mac it would be a completely different story. Cheers, JRM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted April 30, 2012 Share #30 Posted April 30, 2012 Adobe allow you to continue to buy upgrade on upgrade. I have done so since PS6 And LR4 works fine with PSCS5 It is true that Adobe will let you make upgrade on upgrade for PS. But if you have PSCS6 and miss the PSCS7 upgrade then when PS CS8 comes out you will have to buy the full product. The last version of ACR for PSCS5 will be ACR6.7 and that as far as I know is not fully compatible with LR4. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 30, 2012 Share #31 Posted April 30, 2012 I have never understood the allure of Lightroom. Coming from a 'wet' darkroom background Photoshop makes me feel right at home, less a churning of images, more a contemplation of images Different strokes...seamless transition for me from darkroom to LR, and LR 4 is far superior to earlier iterations. It's like getting a better lens or camera every year. Photoshop, which I have, is rarely used and seems more complex for most things I can do in LR. But CS does come in handy for some things, although those are getting fewer and fewer...for me...I'm probably done buying new CS versions. Don't understand the 'churning' of images comment, though. Not my experience. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 4, 2012 Share #32 Posted May 4, 2012 Just the other way around. I have been using Photoshop since I was in digital diapers, and I still cannot wrap my mind around Lightroom. I thought I could get away with not upgrading CS5 to CS6 by using an old TAN number I had lying around to get LR4. No joy:mad: It is still wrapped in a deep mist for me... It must be my fault - I need to get a book "Lightroom for absolute Idiots" or such. For the time being I have ordered Martin Evening's LR4 book - and made a firm decision to upgrade to CS6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 9, 2012 Share #33 Posted May 9, 2012 I think this LuLa post by Charles Cramer may offer some useful information for those who may prefer Photoshop to LR. These are still different tools, but some of the the new features in LR 4, explained quite well here IMO, are bridging the gap and simplifying the process by better isolating controls. Of course there may be other reasons some don't get along with LR. And that's why different options are a good thing. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted May 11, 2012 Share #34 Posted May 11, 2012 ......It is still wrapped in a deep mist for me... It must be my fault - I need to get a book "Lightroom for absolute Idiots" or such. For the time being I have ordered Martin Evening's LR4 book - and made a firm decision to upgrade to CS6. I wish you well with the book. It starts from the premise that a "typical" user starts with a tethered camera in a studio feeding images direct into a computer. This probably tells us a lot about the target customer. Like you I find LR impenetrable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted May 11, 2012 Share #35 Posted May 11, 2012 You can upgrade to LR4 now if you wish. You don't need PSCS6 UK pricing from £190 upgrade, inc VAT. Still $50 more than in the US, as is Adobe's usual business model over here. You will need CS6/ACR7 if you start in LR4.. CS5 will revert raw files back to process 2010 and you will lose the new benefits of LR4 raw processing. It is a new processing engine with better highlight and shadow control, a little advertised fact so far. Don`t know if you save as a tiff and move that to CS5 for further processing or even if that can be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 11, 2012 Share #36 Posted May 11, 2012 CS5 will revert raw files back to Process 2010 ... No, it won't. ... and you will lose the new benefits of Lr 4 raw processing No, you won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted May 11, 2012 Share #37 Posted May 11, 2012 No, it won't. No, you won't. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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