abrewer Posted March 4, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Fuji has a new marketing slogan for their film operation: shoot film and scan. There are a number of us doing just that already. You can enjoy your legacy equipment and the beauty of professionally prepared prints ready to pass around at the dinner table; and still have the option of image manipulation electronically...all in the lush, rich medium we've grown up with (well, most of us here that is!). Shoot film and scan. Shoot film and scan. Shoot film and scan. Kind of rolls off the tongue very nicely if you ask me. Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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milsu Posted March 4, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 4, 2007 Thanks for the thread! These days I ordered Nikon Coolscan V (LSD-50 ED), have to wait few weeks to come. I hope it was right decision, should be fine for colour negatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted March 4, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 4, 2007 Allan, Thanks for the thread. It makes me still feel good about film. I have the Nikon Super Coolscan 5000 ED, but have been contemplating going a little higher. I don't do medium format, but have been considering the Nikon 9000 or one of the Imacons 343. Maybe Marc can chime in hear also and comment on the Nikon / Imacon. I understand the Imacon doesn't have Digitial Ice for scratches or dust. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted March 4, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 4, 2007 Thanks for the thread! These days I ordered Nikon Coolscan V (LSD-50 ED), have to wait few weeks to come. I hope it was right decision, should be fine for colour negatives. Milos - I am very pleased with mine and it works like a dream with Vuescan. Shame you have to wait so long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted March 4, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 4, 2007 Shoot film and scan. Shoot film and scan. Shoot film and scan. Kind of rolls off the tongue very nicely if you ask me. Seems quite a mouthful to me Allan when shoot'N'scan has the same meaning. Fuji missed the obvious. Rolo (creator of the Advanced Function Concept) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williesheldon Posted March 4, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 4, 2007 In many ways film is very economical. In 2-3 years that digital camera on the shelf at the box store will be worthless. Your LEICA FILM CAMERA will still be fully functional, as film keeps getting better, so does your medium. With digital, your quality is hindered by the image sensor. Depth of field, tonal range and highlight and shadow details are much richer and true with film. Also your exposure latitude is low for digital. HEHEHE I am probably going to receive threats of being torched and burned for speaking such words against digital. As long as I can shoot film, I will keep loading film in my cameras. I only wish I could find a store in Iowa that sold Leica equipment. Oh well I can buy through BH Photo. Willie Sheldon Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted March 4, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If my Minolta 5400 ever dies, I'll go for the Nikon or Microtek which can also scan MF. But I hope it doesn't. Scanning Velvia slides today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 4, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 4, 2007 Well, I love the digital darkroom, the convenience of it and the ability to do so much with my images, all within my own control. I also love using film and my film cameras, and overall I prefer the look of film to digitally captured images - just my personal preference. It is possible to have your cake and eat it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mym6is12 Posted March 4, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 4, 2007 Fuji are running NPH adverts, which happens to be only color neg film I have use in my M6s and Hassy, for more than 5 years - for pretty much the reasons they say: "Faithful color. Incredible latitude. An effortless workflow. All under a beautiful umbrella called Pro 400H" "In a digital age,is it possible to have a renaissance in film ?" "Jose Villa says, yes" "In this shot the light was changing constantly, the shadows growing longer by the second, but Pro 400H handled the ever changing , challenging conditions beautifully. The film not only gave me smooth graduation from highlight to shadow but also superb skin tones as I moved in closer". "Equally important after after a long day, Pro 400H is optimized for scanning, providing ultimate compatibility with today's digital workflow. So as the sun set, Jose was assured that he wouldn't be spending his evening hours in front of his computer." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted March 5, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 5, 2007 Don't select between the Yin & Yang, be the circle that contains the Yin & Yang. Despite having the highest resolution, most incredible digital cameras available today ( and the M8 isn't one of them ; -), I also still shoot film. Both with a MP3, and with Hasselblad V systems (503CW and 203FE). I made a decision based on printed results, not opinions from advocates of one or the other with their own prejudicial decision to justify. IMO, it is beautiful, and contemplative, and has a look of it's own ... as does digital ... since they are peas in a pod. A few thoughts shared before but perhaps worth repeating: Scanned film looks worse on a computer screen than it prints... and that includes web uploads. People who are obsessed with removing grain should experiment with printing an image before applying a digital noise control program. You have to perfect your scanned film post processing technique just as much as with digital ... and the two, while similar, are NOT the same. Scanning with Digital Ice only works on Color films and C-41 B&W. It doesn't work on real B&W films ... which are stunning when scanned properly ... and IMHO cannot be matched by the regimented pixels of digital B&W ... and despite high praise given for supposed B&W film type processing actions applied to digital images, I've never seen one single one that WHEN PRINTED doesn't look fake compared to real B&W film. Don't use the clone tool to work on scanned film images. Learn to use the Patch Tool ... it preserves the grain structure. If you get a scanner, get a good archival printer. Nothing beats scanning, post processing and seeing the print a few minutes later. It's invaluable for perfecting your digital darkroom and scanning techniques. Lastly, calm down ... scanning is not the promiscuous activity so prevalent with digital capture ... after all how many shots are really worth printing? So, carefully pick shots worthy of your time just like in the darkroom, perfect the scan, and it becomes a file that can be printed 1000 times ... every one exactly the same quality as the first. Approached this way, I LOVE scanning. It's what I was doing this morning when I first read this thread : -) Here's one that I was doing then ... "Tattoo", Venice, CA. Leica MP3. 50/1.4 ASPH, Tri-X @ 320, scanned at 8000 dpi on a Imacon 949 scanner using Flextouch to control dust ... yeilding a final 16 bit, 158 meg, 12" X 18" print file @ 360 ppi. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17774-shoot-film-and-scan/?do=findComment&comment=190210'>More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted March 5, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 5, 2007 Then as cropped and slightly adjusted for printing at 11"X16" @ 360 ppi on 13" X19" Crane's Museo Silver Rag via the advanced B&W option on the Epson 2400. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17774-shoot-film-and-scan/?do=findComment&comment=190217'>More sharing options...
milsu Posted March 5, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 5, 2007 In many ways film is very economical. In 2-3 years that digital camera on the shelf at the box store will be worthless. Your LEICA FILM CAMERA will still be fully functional, as film keeps getting better, so does your medium. With digital, your quality is hindered by the image sensor. Depth of field, tonal range and highlight and shadow details are much richer and true with film. Also your exposure latitude is low for digital. HEHEHE I am probably going to receive threats of being torched and burned for speaking such words against digital. As long as I can shoot film, I will keep loading film in my cameras. I remember when Olympus E-1 was announced as the best professional digital photo camera for fashion photography. Only two years later, I was looking at it, lying in a store shelf, crying: "Pleeease, somebody buy me!...", but nobody wanted it anymore, although the price was lowered several times. Don't know what happened with it. Sooo sad... My tears are coming, so have to stop... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerdoc Posted March 8, 2007 Share #13 Posted March 8, 2007 Alan - Good to hear from you! Absolutely Shoot'NScan. Have the film scanned when it is processed or DIY. Nikon is the way to go. Minolta has gone belly up so if you can find a 5400 grab it. The new inkjet papers coming out from Hahnemule, Crane, Innova, and now Moab are worthy of consideration. Steve W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose_Salcedo Posted March 9, 2007 Share #14 Posted March 9, 2007 I do the same... shoot with a Leica MP and 50/1.4 Lux, and scan... and I never had so much fun! Jose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 9, 2007 Share #15 Posted March 9, 2007 This thread is pushing me towards an idea I has been walking around a long... really shot and scan can be worth ? Unitil now, I have not decided to try this process seriously... but I made some simple test with my absolutely "normal" A4 HP scanner with a modest film adapter... and was surprised for the results are rather good (with the very simple SW bundled with thw scanner...) . Now HAS ANY OF YOU TIME TO SEND ME SOME GOOD ADVICE, based on experience ? My points are : 1) What is a good film Scanner ? If not so costly, would like also ...ehm...120 film capability (, we are on Leica forum, but I confess to have a Rolleiflex too...and a delicious Ikonta 6x9) 2) Generally speaking, is better to scan by yourself or go to service ? I have never used a dedicated film scanner and do not know which kind of controls You have in the scanning process. 3) What are the Software tools really useful, besides the ethernal Photoshop ? Is there something specialized for B&W ? 4) What is a good Printer, A3 also, good for B&W too ? I do not require speed. I will evaluate a lot advices from people in this forum: I got tired to read "field test" in magazines... Thanks in advance to everyone shall answer my questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted March 9, 2007 Share #16 Posted March 9, 2007 scanned at 8000 dpi on a Imacon 949 scanner using Flextouch to control dust ... yeilding a final 16 bit,158 meg, 12" X 18" print file @ 360 ppi. Marc, I use an MP with current 50mm summicron, and have a Minolta 5400 MkII. Will the results from the Imacon be somewhat better? Does scanning equipment follow the rules of diminishing returns? If you have seen results from the Imacon and Minolta I would value your experience and feedback? Many thanks. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted March 9, 2007 Share #17 Posted March 9, 2007 Marc, I use an MP with current 50mm summicron, and have a Minolta 5400 MkII. Will the results from the Imacon be somewhat better? Does scanning equipment follow the rules of diminishing returns? If you have seen results from the Imacon and Minolta I would value your experience and feedback? Many thanks. Tim Hi Tim. Prior to purchasing the Imacon 949, I was using the Minolta 5400 MK1 (which I am selling), and a Minolta MF Multi-scan Pro (which I already sold), so I can offer a reasonably informed opinion. IMO you are in good hands with the Minolta 5400 MKII if you only do 35mm and don't scan huge amounts of images. Yes, the Imacon produces visibly better results, scans all formats, and does it much swifter. And yes, it does follow the rule of diminishing returns on $ invested. Comparing the Minolta MF which cost 8X less than the MF Imacon 949, I can assure you the 949 not 8X better. Much the same as my H3D/39 costs 8X more than my Canon 5D, but is most certainly is not 8X better. But when I committed to continue using film, I also decided to give film equal footing with the higher end digital capture. That comes with a heafy price tag. Again, this evaluation is based on printed results, not on screen image presentation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose_Salcedo Posted March 9, 2007 Share #18 Posted March 9, 2007 1) What is a good film Scanner ? If not so costly, would like also ...ehm...120 film capability... 2) Generally speaking, is better to scan by yourself or go to service ?... 3) What are the Software tools really useful, besides the ethernal Photoshop?... 4) What is a good Printer, A3 also, good for B&W too?... What I use, with excellent results: 1. As scanner, either a new Epson V750 flatbed with film holders for all kinds of films, or an older Polaroid 120 film scannet (35/120). I usually scan at 4800 dpi with excellent result. 2. Scan yourself. It is an excellent hobby! 3. Forget about Photoshop. Use dedicated scanning software from the scanner manufacturer (like Epson Scan), Vuescan (superb and low cost) or Silverfast Ai (complex and expensive). 4. A superb and cost effective A3 printer would be the Epson 2400 (that I have), the newer Epson 3800 or the HP equivalent that I do not recall the numbers on the printer model. All excell at printing B&W. Last but not least, color callibrate the workflow, make a lot of prints and have a ball! I certainly do, especially after having had my first public exhibit with 25 B3 prints made in this way, all nicely framed in s identical sized and square matte black frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted March 9, 2007 Share #19 Posted March 9, 2007 This thread is pushing me towards an idea I has been walking around a long... really shot and scan can be worth ? Unitil now, I have not decided to try this process seriously... but I made some simple test with my absolutely "normal" A4 HP scanner with a modest film adapter... and was surprised for the results are rather good (with the very simple SW bundled with thw scanner...) . Now HAS ANY OF YOU TIME TO SEND ME SOME GOOD ADVICE, based on experience ? My points are :1) What is a good film Scanner ? If not so costly, would like also ...ehm...120 film capability (, we are on Leica forum, but I confess to have a Rolleiflex too...and a delicious Ikonta 6x9) 2) Generally speaking, is better to scan by yourself or go to service ? I have never used a dedicated film scanner and do not know which kind of controls You have in the scanning process. 3) What are the Software tools really useful, besides the ethernal Photoshop ? Is there something specialized for B&W ? 4) What is a good Printer, A3 also, good for B&W too ? I do not require speed. I will evaluate a lot advices from people in this forum: I got tired to read "field test" in magazines... Thanks in advance to everyone shall answer my questions. 1) see above answer to Tim's question. If you can find a Minolta Multi-Scan MF it should be around $1,000. used. If not available, look at the Nikon units. The Imacon scanners are expensive. Scanning MF is a worthwhile effort. Film is beautiful, and more film is even more beautiful : -) 2) yes, with practice you can scan yourself. Professional drum scans are much better, but expensive and inconvenient ... better reserved for those special images to be printed large. Typical lab scans, even the higher resolution ones, are generally not better than doing it yourself where you are in control and making the decisions. 3) Most desktop scanners come with decent software. There are other "better" scanning programs availble like VueScan, SilverFast and others. Google "Scanning Film" and read up on the different programs. 4) IMO, the latest Epson printers using pigmented INKs are the best all around desktop printers. Go to the Epson web site and compare the features against your needs. I use a Epson 2400 for both color and B&W. Here's a MF scan from a Tri-X Pro negative. Film still rules when conditions are horribly contrasty. But it is nearly impossible to evaluate scanned film from a tiny web upload. Film scans print better than they look on screen. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17774-shoot-film-and-scan/?do=findComment&comment=195007'>More sharing options...
Guest adlerw Posted March 9, 2007 Share #20 Posted March 9, 2007 Shoot film and scan. Shoot film and scan. Shoot film and scan. Kind of rolls off the tongue very nicely if you ask me. Thanks. Allan Well... to my ears it sounds pretty much like Eat shit and die... But anyway: Thanks for your thread! Regards, W. (planning to buy the Coolscan V very soon) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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