jaapv Posted April 8, 2012 Share #61 Posted April 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, as long as they made it a full-spectrum monochrome camera without IR filter...And with a lever to shift the RF setting between UV, IR and visible light...I might start considering that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkCambridgeshire Posted April 8, 2012 Share #62 Posted April 8, 2012 Well, as long as they made it a full-spectrum monochrome camera without IR filter...And with a lever to shift the RF setting between UV, IR and visible light...I might start considering that. Then there would be a need for some UV transmitting lenses too ... dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 8, 2012 Share #63 Posted April 8, 2012 Yes - the Summarit 50-1.5 does rather well, all Jupiters and the Hektor 135. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted April 8, 2012 Share #64 Posted April 8, 2012 Not interested,....... unless..... 36 Mpixels Increased dynamic range Useful up to 12,800 iso or more No more expensive than current M9 otherwise it is of no advantage whatsoever over current M9 range Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted April 8, 2012 Share #65 Posted April 8, 2012 No interest here. I like B/W photography and am happy with the images I get now. There would have to be some other benefit, higher resolution or (especially) improved high ISO. I think I will likely conserve my budget for something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Esslinger Posted April 8, 2012 Share #66 Posted April 8, 2012 I think this is a ridiculous idea UNLESS picture quality is miles above anything possible with current top of the range DSLRs. I really wonder who came up with this idea... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted April 8, 2012 Share #67 Posted April 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not for me. I don't see the advantage apart from perhaps better sensitivity of the sensor and that would not be worth anywhere near $9,000. I could almost buy a Noctilux for that. For that same $9 Large, I would buy $1000 or so worth of film for my current M film kit and I'd invest the rest in the photo expedition of a lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 8, 2012 Share #68 Posted April 8, 2012 This thread has been amusing in one respect - a B&W Leica reminds me how we would get a chuckle in the Fifties when someone would ask, "Can that camera shoot color?" Uh. No. If it does come about I'll bet it won't be two months before someone shoots a tri-color image with one. Round and round we go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 8, 2012 Share #69 Posted April 8, 2012 I really wonder who came up with this idea... I seem to recall such a suggestion in Reid Reviews... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 8, 2012 Share #70 Posted April 8, 2012 Wrong decade, I fear. Although color photography dates back to the mid-nineteenth century, color film was freely available in the 1950ies. Agfachrome was brought to the market in 1935. This thread has been amusing in one respect - a B&W Leica reminds me how we would get a chuckle in the Fifties when someone would ask, "Can that camera shoot color?" Uh. No. If it does come about I'll bet it won't be two months before someone shoots a tri-color image with one. Round and round we go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 8, 2012 Share #71 Posted April 8, 2012 Wrong decade, I fear. Although color photography dates back to the mid-nineteenth century, color film was freely available in the 1950ies. Agfachrome was brought to the market in 1935. I was just quoting what I often heard, even from young people. They still asked the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 8, 2012 Share #72 Posted April 8, 2012 Ah - young people...According to them Napoleon started the Cold War. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 9, 2012 Share #73 Posted April 9, 2012 Back to the topic, note that with all of the limitations of this poll 40% would buy or consider buying a pipe-dream/mooted/theoretical/planned/already-in-production/stupid idea/whatever B&W M9. Not an inconsiderable number. I am in the group that would consider one, meaning there is no detailed information available with which to make an informed decision. But as 99% of my photographs will be B&W before I've even pressed the shutter, I would be very interested in a B&W sensor if it had significantly better IQ/dynamic range etc. Having said that I don't know whether that means I've got to go back to using filtration or how PP &workflow would change or be limited. Anyone here experienced with B&W Phase One PP & workflow? ie. I need more information to make an informed consent. But: the M10 sensor may make this moot, and the price point may make it a ludicrous proposition regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted April 9, 2012 Share #74 Posted April 9, 2012 Well if we look at the Phase One Achromatic, 12 stops of Dynamic Range is not bad... and that was a few years ago. I have no way of knowing, but seeing as there is almost no chatter about the Phase back, I would assume almost nobody bought this science project. The idea of Leica charging a PREMIUM for a B&W M9 makes no sense at all. Hasn't anybody noticed that the current SOTA 35mm DSLR with 36MP of resolving power is way less than 50% of a M9P. Leica needs to address they're marketing position of........if it is a new product, it HAS to be more expensive !! Flawed thinking IMHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9, 2012 Share #75 Posted April 9, 2012 I said it before, they say they would buy the thing. That translates to “I like the idea” The next poll should be whether they would actually open their wallets based on a detailed description of a camera. And the opinion of their wives.... Back to the topic, note that with all of the limitations of this poll 40% would buy or consider buying a pipe-dream/mooted/theoretical/planned/already-in-production/stupid idea/whatever B&W M9. Not an inconsiderable number. I am in the group that would consider one, meaning there is no detailed information available with which to make an informed decision. But as 99% of my photographs will be B&W before I've even pressed the shutter, I would be very interested in a B&W sensor if it had significantly better IQ/dynamic range etc. Having said that I don't know whether that means I've got to go back to using filtration or how PP &workflow would change or be limited. Anyone here experienced with B&W Phase One PP & workflow? ie. I need more information to make an informed consent. But: the M10 sensor may make this moot, and the price point may make it a ludicrous proposition regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted April 9, 2012 Share #76 Posted April 9, 2012 Wrong decade, I fear. Although color photography dates back to the mid-nineteenth century, color film was freely available in the 1950ies. Agfachrome was brought to the market in 1935. The name of that film (the first chromogenic one) was Agfacolor Neu. Plain Agfacolor was an additive process that used special striped filters (supplied by Leitz for the Leica) but it was obsolete before it even made a splash. But the 2.2 aperture marking on some fast Leica lenses was for the old Agfacolor film. Kodachrome for cine cameras appeared in 1935, 35mm Kodachrome in 1936 (a good year for photography ) This also introduced the now standard disposable 'Retina cartridge' though some film manufacturers had already experimented with cardboard cartridges. But it is true that colour films had their popular breakthrough in the 1950's. I developed Anscocolor in a Correx tank. But it was complicated, and the result proved to be of low permanence. "Experience it what you have when you have lost everything else." The old man from the Kodachrome Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaBraz Posted April 9, 2012 Share #77 Posted April 9, 2012 It is arguable (mmm!) that Napoleon started the Cold War but it is a fact that he suffered it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9, 2012 Share #78 Posted April 9, 2012 They sure were of low permanence. My first attempts at color using an Agfa Click and Agfa negative film in 1957 turned a faint sepia within the decade, despite being kept in the dark. Framed prints would last about a year.My father’s slides from the early fifties are not much better by now. The only color left besides brown seems to be a muddy green. The ones from the sixties are much better. The name of that film (the first chromogenic one) was Agfacolor Neu. Plain Agfacolor was an additive process that used special striped filters (supplied by Leitz for the Leica) but it was obsolete before it even made a splash. But the 2.2 aperture marking on some fast Leica lenses was for the old Agfacolor film. Kodachrome for cine cameras appeared in 1935, 35mm Kodachrome in 1936 (a good year for photography ) This also introduced the now standard disposable 'Retina cartridge' though some film manufacturers had already experimented with cardboard cartridges. But it is true that colour films had their popular breakthrough in the 1950's. I developed Anscocolor in a Correx tank. But it was complicated, and the result proved to be of low permanence. "Experience it what you have when you have lost everything else." The old man from the Kodachrome Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babaciciyo Posted April 9, 2012 Share #79 Posted April 9, 2012 All speculations are fiction here is a real one: Leica M-10 probably will use KODAK KAI-29050 CCD sensor. Features of this sensor as KODAK describe: The KODAK KAI-29050 Image sensor is a 29 megapixel CCD in a 35mm optical format(43mm diagonal).Based on the KODAK TRUESENSE 5.5 micron interline transfer CCD platform...4 frames per second...2x improvement in light sensitivity compared to a standard color BAYER part. Bayer color pattern,KODAK TRUESENSE color filter pattern and MONOCHROME configurations.... Low noise pattern High frame rate.. Nine version of this sensor are offered by KODAK: KAI-29050-JD-B1:Monochrome KAI-29050-JD-B2:Monochrome KAI-29050-JD-AE:Monochrome KAI-29050-JXA-JD-B1:Color BAYER RGB KAI-29050-JXA-JD-B2:Color BAYER RGB KAI-29050-JXA-JD-AE:Color BAYER RGB KAI-29050-PXA-JD-B1:Color KODAK TRUE SENSE KAI-29050-PXA-JD-B2:Color KODAK TRUE SENSE KAI-29050-PXA-JD-AE:Color KODAK TRUE SENSE Now we can speculate which one or two of them will be used on M-10c , M10m or M10c until MAY 10th. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share #80 Posted April 9, 2012 Unlikely http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/149913-new-kodak-sensor.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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