Noctilux4me Posted March 20, 2012 Share #1 Posted March 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) This should be an interesting competition going forward.... How will Leica respond? EXCLUSIVE ! Leica Noctilux f/0.95 VS SLR Magic Hyperprime T0.95, the movie ! on Vimeo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Hi Noctilux4me, Take a look here Noctilux f/0.95 vs HyperPrime CINE 50mm T0.95. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted March 20, 2012 Share #2 Posted March 20, 2012 Thx for the link. Nice music, but I would have prefered some photos. Nobody knows what LEICA does, to them - until now - it was more important how their customers responded. But most likely new LEICA- lenses do NEVER get cheaper. So early buyers should be the winners. SLR-MAGIC instead will learn from LEICA: 12 months from now the Hyperprime will be EUR 1,000 more than today. So hurry up if you want a REALLY heavy beast in front of your face. Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctilux4me Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted March 20, 2012 Success for this specialized type of lens doesn't necessarily mean hyperprime can compete against Leica on standard lenses given that they are using a Cine lens approach. But I do think that if hyperprime is able to produce this lens with high quality and reliability, then I would hope that Leica comes out with a new technology/innovation as a response. I don't see any scenario in which Leica lowers prices on anything -its not their business model. So maybe we can look forward to a 35mm f/0.95? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted March 20, 2012 Share #4 Posted March 20, 2012 Not sure the M9 forum is the place for this but nonetheless Interesting to see the focus transitions in a video - it will take several viewing to draw out the best and worst features of each. My first impression was more down to camera shake : 100mm efl. on the GH2 is not an easy task then. Here's hoping the Olympus E-M5 with IBIS does a better job. Will it effect sales of the Noctilux - doubt it - demand exceeds supply, so Leica don't need to respond at all. But are perhaps a little miffed at loosing the fastest 50mm lens title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 20, 2012 Share #5 Posted March 20, 2012 Based on this video, with all of the obvious limitations, I think the Leica is a better lens. So it should be for the price difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holybasil Posted March 20, 2012 Share #6 Posted March 20, 2012 So much aberrations! And not just from the SLR magic, but from the Leica as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 20, 2012 Share #7 Posted March 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The color of the SLR Magic looks drab and not very contrasty. And, what is with the weird over all color of the video on both lenses? Did he add some sort of post processing to them? Very distracting to make any conclusions about the lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoshawnuff Posted March 20, 2012 Share #8 Posted March 20, 2012 Just from what I've seen and read online (not very trustworthy, but also the only option), I would still rather pay 60% more for the Noctilux. If I where in the market for a super-fast lens and I had $5000 to spend I'd get the voigtlander and keep saving for the Noctilux. The floating elements to avoid focus shift, the aspheric elements, the aperture click-stops, the relatively compact size, resale-ability, and the 'tried and true' quality would all lead me to a sense of security paying $12k for the Leica...the SLR lens has none of these making it a very risky $4500 expense (at least to me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohnri Posted March 21, 2012 Share #9 Posted March 21, 2012 The Hyperprime is excellent optically. It is faster than the Noct and it focuses to 0.7 meters, which is a lot closer than any Noct. I didn't notice any focus shift when I shot the Hyperprime but I'll do some testing when I get another chance. The drawbacks of the Hyperprime are it's larger size and that it is not a Leica. As far as resale value goes, no one knows how the Hyperprime will hold it's value. It could easily go up. I'll definitely be shooting some pro sports under harsh lighting conditions with the Hyperprime and comparing the results to my favorite, the classic Noct f/1, on my M9. -Bill Come to my gallery show at Art Walk LA and see pro action shots taken with a Leica M9 and Noct f/1 COLLISION: Fashion meets Fighting At the: Hatakeyama Gallery 905 S Hill St, Los Angeles April 12 at 6:30 PM Jump start Art Walk LA and See kick ass fighting and fashion photos Free food and drinks opening night. Live fighters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 21, 2012 Share #10 Posted March 21, 2012 Cautiously commenting again on the video, the colour and OOf areas look pretty scrappy on the Hyperprime. Even though we are looking at a video there seems to be an obvious difference between the two lenses' OOF rendering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holybasil Posted March 21, 2012 Share #11 Posted March 21, 2012 Cautiously commenting again on the video, the colour and OOf areas look pretty scrappy on the Hyperprime. Even though we are looking at a video there seems to be an obvious difference between the two lenses' OOF rendering. Gonna play devil's advocate and say, have you see stills? They're gorgeous! The SLR Magic Hyperprime 50 LM T0.95 Leica Mount Lens “Rolling Review” | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted March 21, 2012 Share #12 Posted March 21, 2012 The drawbacks of the Hyperprime are it's larger size and that it is not a Leica. and it's aberration, check at 1 minute, the girl's white jacket... look at the edges! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted March 21, 2012 Share #13 Posted March 21, 2012 The thing that comes to mind is that a Lexus is a nice car - but a Lexus does not compare to an S class Mercedes. As always, you get what you pay for, one way or the other. And as always, some of us do not have the resources to get the best lens or car that is available. Such is life - so we do what we can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 21, 2012 Share #14 Posted March 21, 2012 I don't dare to make definite comments... even if Huff's site can allow some decent evaluations... for me, the interesting / funny / appreciable fact is that it's clear that Leica M is more and more becoming an interesting market for "3rd parties" in general... and the VERY high prices that Leica poses on items like the Noctilux encourages entrepreneurs to try some new adventure... "they DO SELL IT at 10K$... why couldn't I sell MINE at 4K, which anyway gives me a good margin ?". Personally, I still prefer the Cosina Voigtlander approach "stay LOW PRICE, make something a bit different from THEM" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 21, 2012 Share #15 Posted March 21, 2012 and it's aberration, check at 1 minute, the girl's white jacket... look at the edges! John Thanks to being on an internet connection in the airport lounge (with 100 other people) I cannot play the video, however all of the side by side testing that was done at the LA Workshop with the 0.95 Hyperprime and Noctilux showed that the Noctilux exhibited much greater purple fringing (i.e. aberration), in high contrast areas of an image. To a certain extent this is an unavoidable side effect of shooting very fast lenses with a digital sensor. As Bill mentioned in his above post the Hyperprime is a serious lens. I believe they have a solid plan to expand production and plan to report on this when I visit SLR Magic to pick up my Hyperprime in Hong Kong next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 21, 2012 Share #16 Posted March 21, 2012 The Hyperprime really is a stunning achievement for the company which is such a small company too. The only slight gripe I have with it is the distortion. I dislike the effects of barrel distortion particularly on faces. I agree the colour looks drab, but I'm sure some will actually feel this is a feature worth owning it for. I own a Noctilux and while I still wouldn't swap it I wish it had the closer focusing of the hyper prime. The size I thikn is an issue. I'm used to using big lenses on Hasselblad H but the thing is these lenses are balanced with the body. The Noctilux while still relatively small is close to the limits of balance on the M9 body. If I were to chose again I would still go for the Noctilux, it's probably one of the best ever things I've ever owned and you would need to pry it from my dead fingers to get me to part with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted March 21, 2012 Share #17 Posted March 21, 2012 ... so Leica don't need to respond at all. But are perhaps a little miffed at loosing the fastest 50mm lens title. Well, they won't lose THAT title, or is the SLR lens any faster? Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 21, 2012 Share #18 Posted March 21, 2012 IPersonally, I still prefer the Cosina Voigtlander approach "stay LOW PRICE, make something a bit different from THEM" Their 25mm F/.95 lens is very good, and economical (or was when I got one of the first). Unfortunately there's not a Panasonic sensor that can really exploit it, and of course it does not work on the Leica M, and further isn't really designed for 4/3 cine. I'm sticking to Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted March 21, 2012 Share #19 Posted March 21, 2012 The SLR Magic lens is rated T0.95, so unless the makers are lying (and so far they don't seem that kind of people) it's unarguably faster than the Noctilux f/0.95 - but not enough for sane people to get excited about. IIRC in an earlier thread we established it was about f/0.93. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 21, 2012 Share #20 Posted March 21, 2012 .. The size I think(sp) is an issue. I'm used to using big lenses on Hasselblad H but the thing is these lenses are balanced with the body. The Noctilux while still relatively small is close to the limits of balance on the M9 body. If I were to chose again I would still go for the Noctilux, it's probably one of the best ever things I've ever owned and you would need to pry it from my dead fingers to get me to part with it. I don't think size is an issue with the Hyperprime, but weight is a factor that takes some getting used to. In my brief time with the lens I found myself supporting both the lens barrel and camera body with two hands. In thinking back I realize that I was probably being overly cautious. I have no doubt that the mount on both the Hyperprime and M9 are up to the task, but the Hyperprime is 12 elements of fairly exotic German (and a few Chinese) glass, and it is not light. The plus side is the Hyperprime absolutely feels like a quality piece of German engineering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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