hoppyman Posted March 15, 2012 Share #21 Posted March 15, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) All understood. Being able to shift the white point and contrast for selectable individual calibrations is a wonderful advance. I think we work in similar ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Roberts Posted March 15, 2012 Share #22 Posted March 15, 2012 {snipped} How does soft proofing work? Would the software (in this case LR4) have to figure out how the colors in the photo would "translate" onto your particular printer/ink/paper and then "translate" that back onto the screen? I assume the process is wedded very closely to the printer drivers specific to the particular printer model. The reason I ask is that I've also just bought the RIP, ImagePrint 9, for B&W digital printing but would like to try it out for color work. If using ImagePrint as my driver, if the process is driver dependent, I don't think soft proofing would work since it assumes a regular Epson driver in making the soft proofs. Am I thinking correctly? Soft proofing just lets a profile-aware application build an approximation of what your output will look like when you select it.... In C1 and Photoshop's case, it also lets you see out of gamut color areas (in PS they're greyed out so you can really tell what isn't going to print properly). It's got nothing, really, to do with the drivers. So you can soft-proof your ImagePrint profiles in Photoshop and it works very nicely (for the colour profiles). But I have ImagePrint too--I love it actually--and it does a very good job of previewing printing itself, so in effect you are softproofing in ImagePrint anyway... Remember that it's an approximation, too... when colours go out of gamut the results are unpredictable, and different papers have more or less ability to deal with black ink and detail. ImagePrint will help you get the best results, though, very easily.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted March 15, 2012 Share #23 Posted March 15, 2012 How does soft proofing work? Would the software (in this case LR4) have to figure out how the colors in the photo would "translate" onto your particular printer/ink/paper and then "translate" that back onto the screen? I assume the process is wedded very closely to the printer drivers specific to the particular printer model. The reason I ask is that I've also just bought the RIP, ImagePrint 9, for B&W digital printing but would like to try it out for color work. If using ImagePrint as my driver, if the process is driver dependent, I don't think soft proofing would work since it assumes a regular Epson driver in making the soft proofs. Am I thinking correctly? If I may interject. Owning ImagePrint and using it ONLY for your B&W printing is kind of like owning a Ferrari 458 Spider and only taking it out of the garage to run to the corner Grocery store and back while taking your Toyota Cellica on the weekend trips down Highway 1. Yeah, the Cellica will get you there but.... If you've learned the IP software layout and controls (B&W), you're most of the way there. Just a matter of downloading the colour paper/lighting profiles from the website (simple). I use the Pro Photo Color Space as the newer Epson Printers with HDR inks can reach into the gamut. My 2¢s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 15, 2012 Share #24 Posted March 15, 2012 {snipped}I use the Pro Photo Color Space as the newer Epson Printers with HDR inks can reach into the gamut. My 2¢s. It's a good interjection for sure--I totally missed the OP's point about using ImagePrint only for BW, which is a total waste for sure Are you saying that the 3880 has a significantly wider colour gamut than aRGB? I could look it up, but if you have it handy But if so, wouldn't it still be better to use something like DCAM4 or DCAM5 from Joseph Holmes? I thought there was still a lot of unprintable colour in ProPhoto... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted March 15, 2012 Share #25 Posted March 15, 2012 Are you saying that the 3880 has a significantly wider colour gamut than aRGB? I could look it up, but if you have it handy Absolutely true that PP has a lot of unprintable colors, but one of the reasons Perceptual rendering intent works better than Relative Colormetric on the majority of my images. Here's a nice article to sink your teeth into: Understanding ProPhoto RGB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share #26 Posted March 16, 2012 If I may interject. Owning ImagePrint and using it ONLY for your B&W printing is kind of like owning a Ferrari 458 Spider and only taking it out of the garage to run to the corner Grocery store and back while taking your Toyota Cellica on the weekend trips down Highway 1. Yeah, the Cellica will get you there but.... If you've learned the IP software layout and controls (B&W), you're most of the way there. Just a matter of downloading the colour paper/lighting profiles from the website (simple). I use the Pro Photo Color Space as the newer Epson Printers with HDR inks can reach into the gamut. My 2¢s. I am printing my first photos both in color and B&W using LR3 to edit in color and SEP2 for B&W. Using the PA 241W calibrated to 5500K, gamma 2.2, and contrast 150:1, I am getting almost exactly what I see on paper of what is on the monitor. This is for Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta glossy. These settings were recommended for matte paper but I found that the recommended targets for glossy paper were too bright and contrasty on my system. Very happy with the results using IP9. The narrow gamut tint picker is also very easy to use resulting in very subtle changes. Thank you everyone regarding your advice and suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 27, 2012 Share #27 Posted March 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) If I may interject. Owning ImagePrint and using it ONLY for your B&W printing is kind of like owning a Ferrari 458 Spider and only taking it out of the garage to run to the corner Grocery store and back while taking your Toyota Cellica on the weekend trips down Highway 1. Yeah, the Cellica will get you there but.... If you've learned the IP software layout and controls (B&W), you're most of the way there. Just a matter of downloading the colour paper/lighting profiles from the website (simple). I use the Pro Photo Color Space as the newer Epson Printers with HDR inks can reach into the gamut. My 2¢s. You mean Ferraris are meant for something other than that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoism Posted March 28, 2012 Share #28 Posted March 28, 2012 You mean Ferraris are meant for something other than that? Of course! They are meant for breaking the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 28, 2012 Share #29 Posted March 28, 2012 Of course! They are meant for breaking the law. Speaking of the law, did you see the picture of the custom built Lambo the Italian police crashed soon after delivery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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