sanyasi Posted March 6, 2012 Share #21 Posted March 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Beware! I didn't try it myself yet ... but according to hearsay, Lr 4 won't import any changes to the contrast curve. So pictures which just use the default contrast curve will be fine after the transfer but for those where the curve was edited, allegedly it will be back to the default curve after transfer. So before importing your old catalogues to Lr 4, make sure you have a back-up somewhere until this bug gets sorted out. Thanks for the heads up. I just checked and the Tone Curve is showing up on many of the photos I imported, but I will take a closer look. I've been bringing stuff in as dng if it is created with my Canon, so I want to see whether the tone cure issue is tied to individual camera RAW files (some of my old Canon files haven't been converted). Two points: Fortunately, I kept the backup catalogues, so if I need to recreate the master catalogue, I can do so rather quickly. Second, with images that I created 5 years ago I don't much care whether any of the adjustments were retained (a slight overstatement). My post processing skills have improved so much over that period and the technology has improved so much that if I were going to reprint an image, I would probably rework it anyway. If the rumors are correct, it is quite a big bug. I've tested software, particularly installation related issues. If I knew people were importing files from an old version, one of the first things I would watch for is that all the adjustments are coming over. While I could imagine missing the fact that HUE red changes were coming over, missing the entire tone curve would be a major testing oversight. In any event, appreciate the warning and will watch for developments. Jack Siegel Here is the link to an adobe forum site: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/971408 At this time, there are two posts discussing the problem, plus a link to another photographer's blog discussing the problem (with examples). Based on one of the posts, it appears to be camera specific. The person reports having a problem with files from one camera, but not another. I would have anticipated more posts if the problem were widespread, but we are pretty early in the game. I did check the metadata. I found one of my M9 photos (which would have been dng from the outset). The tone curve does reflect adjustments that I would have made (S shaped and set to medium contrast). Nevertheless, if you convert, make sure to keep backups so you can revert if the problem is more subtle or widespread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wda Posted March 6, 2012 Share #22 Posted March 6, 2012 They've halved the cost too.$79 for the upgrade, don't know the sterling equivalent - I'd guess £60-70. Presumably this is to compete with Apple's price decrease of Aperture when they added it to the app store. Just under £60 Steve. Quite a bargain! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted March 6, 2012 Share #23 Posted March 6, 2012 Beware! I didn't try it myself yet ... but according to hearsay, Lr 4 won't import any changes to the contrast curve. So pictures which just use the default contrast curve will be fine after the transfer but for those where the curve was edited, allegedly it will be back to the default curve after transfer. So before importing your old catalogues to Lr 4, make sure you have a back-up somewhere until this bug gets sorted out. No problems with that here. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 6, 2012 Share #24 Posted March 6, 2012 Beware! I didn't try it myself yet ... but according to hearsay, Lr 4 won't import any changes to the contrast curve. So pictures which just use the default contrast curve will be fine after the transfer but for those where the curve was edited, allegedly it will be back to the default curve after transfer. So before importing your old catalogues to Lr 4, make sure you have a back-up somewhere until this bug gets sorted out. I just imported a catalog of 12,000 images to LR4 and all that I have checked so far have all the adjustments intact, including tone curves and contrast adjustments. Whew. Of course, I did keep a copy of the catalog... just in case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted March 6, 2012 Share #25 Posted March 6, 2012 interested to find out if tethering with the M9 is yet possible with LR4... Me too. That is the only reason I purchased Aperture. Can anyone who has LR4 confirm or deny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted March 6, 2012 Share #26 Posted March 6, 2012 Bug in LR4: Additional Research and Thoughts: The Adobe Lightroom forum is reporting the bug. Here is the link to an adobe forum site: Adobe Forums: LR4: tone curve settings lost after upgrade At this time, there are two posts discussing the problem, plus a link to another photographer's blog discussing the problem (with examples). Based on one of the posts, it appears to be camera specific. The person reports having a problem with files from one camera, but not another. I would have anticipated more posts if the problem were widespread, but we are pretty early in the game. To determine whether there is a problem with the Leica M9 files, I opened the same photographs in LR 3 and LR 4. After importing the photographs into LR 4, there was no difference. It is also noteworthy that the interface in development mode in LR 4 and LR 3 is the same in terms of controls following just the import into LR 4 (the controls in LR 4 change depending on whether you are reviewing a native LR 4 file or a LR 3 file that has been imported). There is another step: You must upgrade the LR 3 imported photo if you want the new processing engine to apply LR 4 to it. At this point, there is a change in the LR 4 interface from LR 3 to LR4. Which means that Fill Light and Recovery are no longer present in LR 4 and the new core controls (Blacks, Whites, Shadows, Highlights) are now set to 0 and in the middle position). My specific points on the tone curve (numeric values) remained the same, but medium contrast setting changes to linear contrast. I also note that in one photo, exposure went from .43 to .73 and Blacks went from 8 to -1. I had trouble discerning much of a difference between the two versions. This makes me wonder whether this is a bug, or just a mapping of the LR 3 settings into LR 4 to maintain a equivalency. Maybe there is a bug. I think each person will need to make that assessment until Adobe comments on the bug report. Even if you are unhappy about the possibility of a bug, I don't think that means you must run LR3 and LR4. It looks to me like you could import everything from LR3 to LR4 and just not upgrade the LR3 photographs to LR 4 if you are concerned. As usual, you would be wise to keep backups of your LR catalogues so that you can use those to convert to LR4 should this be a bug. Or if you are really concerned, stick with LR 3 until the matter is resolved. My workflow tends to be to work on a batch of photos, create prints and digital tiff files, and then move on to the newest set of photos. To a certain extent, I therefore don't care what happens to the dng files. If I decide to revisit them, I probably will rework them to take advantage of my increased abilities and those of LR. Hope this is helpful and I will be interested in the experience of others. Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted March 6, 2012 Share #27 Posted March 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Me too. That is the only reason I purchased Aperture. Can anyone who has LR4 confirm or deny. When has it been a problem to shoot tethered to LR with an M9? Just set up a "Hot Folder". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted March 6, 2012 Share #28 Posted March 6, 2012 When has it been a problem to shoot tethered to LR with an M9? Just set up a "Hot Folder". Thanks. Where can I get instructions on how to do this? I was directed to the Adobe webpage regarding supported cameras and the M9 was not on the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted March 7, 2012 Share #29 Posted March 7, 2012 Thanks. Where can I get instructions on how to do this? I was directed to the Adobe webpage regarding supported cameras and the M9 was not on the list. Sorry, I might have spoke prematurely. The hot folder requires that you have the capture software shipped WITH the camera. Leica used to have a software that I think they dropped the support on. In other words, I believe it used to work, but since the software is now unsupported, we can't do it anymore. I've seen demos using Canon cameras and it really works well, but Canon has updated their Capture software. Again, my apologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 7, 2012 Share #30 Posted March 7, 2012 Thanks. Where can I get instructions on how to do this? I was directed to the Adobe webpage regarding supported cameras and the M9 was not on the list. I think you can shoot the M9 tethered to a Mac simply by using Apple's Image Capture on any Mac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted March 7, 2012 Share #31 Posted March 7, 2012 I just imported a catalog of 12,000 images to LR4 and all that I have checked so far have all the adjustments intact, including tone curves and contrast adjustments. Whew. Of course, I did keep a copy of the catalog... just in case. It is not the import that poses the problem. As a 3.0 file, it must be updated to take advantage of 4.0. You will see an exclamation mark with the photo. That means it hasn't been updated. If you click the exclamation mark and updated, I bet you will see the problem. Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 7, 2012 Share #32 Posted March 7, 2012 It is not the import that poses the problem. As a 3.0 file, it must be updated to take advantage of 4.0. You will see an exclamation mark with the photo. That means it hasn't been updated. If you click the exclamation mark and updated, I bet you will see the problem. Jack Siegel Interesting... Yes, updating the process version does in fact revert the contrast curve back to linear. not the end of the world, but I would suggest not doing a mass update of process version until Adobe fixes it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 7, 2012 Share #33 Posted March 7, 2012 Umm ... Adobe has changed the interface so that what used to be the Medium Contrast tone curve now is represented as Linear in the display. Maybe that's the core of the rumour about a bug and actually is only a misunderstanding. So in order to check whether there's a bug, edit the tone curve in Lr 3, then import the edited file into Lr 4, and check if the picture stills looks the same. If it does then there's no bug. If the picture's contrast is back to default (which would appear as Linear in Lr 4 but actually is the same as what Medium Contrast used to be) then there's a bug. Cannot check myself because I don't have both Lr 3 and Lr 4 installed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share #34 Posted March 7, 2012 I have another problem discovered today. For some reason the Nik SEfex plug-in is not working. In LR3 when one used "Edit in ->" it loaded and did the basic conversion. Not any more - nothing happens. It is still there in the LR4 Preferences External Editor panel and I did a reset of "Choose" just in case. Any ideas anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eudemian Posted March 7, 2012 Share #35 Posted March 7, 2012 I have used the following software for placing files into a hot folder by shooting tethered. It is not 100% reliable but it does work. Reference site: M9Tether Hope that helps, give it a whirl, I was impressed when it worked well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 7, 2012 Share #36 Posted March 7, 2012 Umm ... Adobe has changed the interface so that what used to be the Medium Contrast tone curve now is represented as Linear in the display. Maybe that's the core of the rumour about a bug and actually is only a misunderstanding. So in order to check whether there's a bug, edit the tone curve in Lr 3, then import the edited file into Lr 4, and check if the picture stills looks the same. If it does then there's no bug. If the picture's contrast is back to default (which would appear as Linear in Lr 4 but actually is the same as what Medium Contrast used to be) then there's a bug. Cannot check myself because I don't have both Lr 3 and Lr 4 installed. This appears to be the case. This seems a little convoluted, but I just tried this: M9 unprocessed DNG file. Upon import to LR3 the Point Curve setting shows 'Medium Contrast'. I made only 1 adjustment in LR3: Changed Point Curve from Medium Contrast to Strong Contrast. Exported that file to LR4. In LR4 it carried the 'Strong Contrast' setting through, but upon updating to the new process, it changes the Point Curve setting to 'Custom'. Taking the same RAW file and importing it straight into LR4, it imports it with its Point Curve set at "Linear". Next, using the same file, I made a local adjustment in LR3 (so as not to affect the overall image, but to let LR4 know the image has been processed in Version 2010). This image shows 'Medium Contrast' as imported into LR3. Sending the image to LR4, it gets labeled 'Medium Contrast' on import (so, importing an unaltered file it gets labeled as 'Linear', but coming from LR3, it carries the LR3 label through). Updating the process to the LR4 (2012 version) changes the Point Curve label to 'Linear' but the image looks exactly the same as the imported image before the version update. So, it appears as though 01AF is on to something here. It looks like LR4 is correlating Medium Contrast in LR3 with Linear in LR4. At any rate, I see no reason to update the version process of the entire catalog anyway. I didn't do that with LR2->LR3 and only updated the images as needed for each image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted March 7, 2012 Share #37 Posted March 7, 2012 I'm still using LR2 and I notice that the Adobe LR site advises that users can upgrade from any version of LR to version 4. What I'm not sure of is if I upgrade from 2 to 4 do I also get the features that came with version 3 or will I end up with a mix of features from 2 and 4 only. I've looked on the Adobe site and can't find an answer and as I don't want to register just to ask one question I wonder if anyone here has the answer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 7, 2012 Share #38 Posted March 7, 2012 Howard, you'll get the same version of LR4 as everyone else. Nothing will be missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted March 7, 2012 Share #39 Posted March 7, 2012 Howard, you'll get the same version of LR4 as everyone else. Nothing will be missing. Thanks for the quick reply, I was hoping that would be the case. I may just wait until the possible bugs have been ironed out and get an upgrade disc later in the year. I'm thinking that it may be wise to keep up to date in case I go digital with an M9 or possibly an Fuji X Pro1 with Leica adapter at some time the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted March 7, 2012 Share #40 Posted March 7, 2012 I have another problem discovered today. For some reason the Nik SEfex plug-in is not working. In LR3 when one used "Edit in ->" it loaded and did the basic conversion. Not any more - nothing happens. It is still there in the LR4 Preferences External Editor panel and I did a reset of "Choose" just in case.Any ideas anyone? I will have to check that in 4, but I regularly used Silver Effect with the LR adjustments in the 4Beta. In fact, I used all the Nik products that way except the HDR program, which I own, but don't use that often. Jack Siegel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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