StephenPatterson Posted February 25, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Taken at "Swan Lake" (I know, the Chinese sometimes don't come up with the most imaginative western names) at the Panda Breeding & Research Center in Chengdu, China. Â M9 + 90 Elmarit-M Â As always comments, critique and suggestions welcome and appreciated. Â [ATTACH]302184[/ATTACH] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Hi StephenPatterson, Take a look here Swan Fish. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
JazzDoc Posted February 25, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted February 25, 2012 This one pops right off the page. Terrific color, comp and clarity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted February 25, 2012 Share #3 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Cool shot.. Â as per my suggestion with most digital..if you like a natural colour palette, may I suggest you play with the saturation, by pulling it back until the details come out better. It is normal for digital cameras of ALL brands to exaggerate the saturation when blacks get involved in the image, maybe how it achieves black is the clue, anyhow..this seems to get the sensor to exaggerate the colour saturation. Some people say " I like" it'..I like it has nothing to do with the "accuracy" IF you ARE looking for colour accuracy, then its a good idea to take the shot, look back at the scene and say..hmm that orange is not quite that bright..or ..hmm where did the cyan go , that way instead of the camera leading you on , you make the decisions, your are the artist, the editor..rather than the "default" of the camera sensor, sometimes it gets it right, sometimes no, but 100% all the time , absolutely no. Even film has its tendencies to "shift" colour cast, film isn't perfect either. Â Sorry for the rant./monologue.j its a beautiful shot, but I feel it has much more. Â Cheers, JRM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share #4 Â Posted February 25, 2012 JRM, I very much appreciate the comment. Do you think this works better? Â Cheers, Â [ATTACH]302193[/ATTACH] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted February 25, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah of course..can you see what I mean..there is much more detail and it looks less, "Blown"...the yellowish tint is gone. You notice also that in the first image, what seems like an "all orange fish" actually has many varied tones, not just orangy red. That lens and camera should be able to pick up every colour nuance there is, after all it is an "artists tool" at least Leica seems to like to think they have that standard, which I think they are not wrong in assuming so:) Â Â Cheers, JRM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted February 25, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Stephen - Â Wonderful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted February 25, 2012 Share #7 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I like this picture, and I think #2 is an improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share #8 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah of course..can you see what I mean..there is much more detail and it looks less, "Blown"...the yellowish tint is gone. You notice also that in the first image, what seems like an "all orange fish" actually has many varied tones, not just orangy red.That lens and camera should be able to pick up every colour nuance there is, after all it is an "artists tool" at least Leica seems to like to think they have that standard, which I think they are not wrong in assuming so:) Â Â Cheers, JRM Â JRM, thanks again for the help!!! VERY much appreciated!!!! I agree that the first is too highly saturated, and the 2nd let's the details come forward. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees, so thanks for the help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
myshkine Posted February 25, 2012 Share #9 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Very beautiful picture, and I agree with the suggestion to desaturate, it is always a temptation to have colours that pop up, but the second one is really excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted February 25, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted February 25, 2012 Very beautiful picture, and I agree with the suggestion to desaturate, it is always a temptation to have colours that pop up, but the second one is really excellent. I agree that the second is the best of the two. Excellent composition, colors and sharpness. Â Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iduna Posted March 1, 2012 Share #11 Â Posted March 1, 2012 Stephen, thanks for putting up this question. The photo is wonderful. For the saturation in my opinion it depends on what you want to emphasize: if it is the swan and its attitude against the koys certainly the second version is better. If it is just the colour juxtaposition, I tend to prefer the other one, because the punchy touch is also good. I also find it very difficult sometimes to find a balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share #12 Â Posted March 2, 2012 Stephen, thanks for putting up this question. The photo is wonderful. For the saturation in my opinion it depends on what you want to emphasize: if it is the swan and its attitude against the koys certainly the second version is better. If it is just the colour juxtaposition, I tend to prefer the other one, because the punchy touch is also good. I also find it very difficult sometimes to find a balance. Â I think the first version of the photo is the more "marketable" one, but I agree that details are lost in the over saturation of some of the bright fish. The solution is that I probably need to work on this image more in post, adding additional control points to some of the more highly saturated fish and dial them back a bit. Â Thanks again to everyone for all the wonderful advice!!! That's what I love about the Leica User Forum!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jackson Posted March 12, 2012 Share #13 Â Posted March 12, 2012 First Version is the one. Great color, just a stunning photo, and setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iduna Posted March 12, 2012 Share #14  Posted March 12, 2012 I think the first version of the photo is the more "marketable" one, but I agree that details are lost in the over saturation of some of the bright fish. The solution is that I probably need to work on this image more in post, adding additional control points to some of the more highly saturated fish and dial them back a bit. Thanks again to everyone for all the wonderful advice!!! That's what I love about the Leica User Forum!!!  Yes, Stephen, once again, because the photo is really good.  I would only try to tone down a bit, but a bit only, the more saturated ones, means orange coloured. Leave the others, specially the red headed one, because is a match to the swan's red beak. I am looking forward to the next photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Monkhouse Posted March 13, 2012 Share #15 Â Posted March 13, 2012 Excellent... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimofnyc Posted March 13, 2012 Share #16 Â Posted March 13, 2012 I think it is the moment that makes it special. Regardless of the saturation, the thought that pops into my head is the swan thinking, "Will there be any food left for me?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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