IWC Doppel Posted February 21, 2012 Share #1  Posted February 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone comment on the rendering and differences between a 50mm pre asph simmilux and current summicron  I would really like low light performance and some of the older style rendering but not if it is a little too soft.  Mostly people shots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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philipus Posted February 21, 2012 Share #2  Posted February 21, 2012 I have a pre-asph (LTM actually). Here are two unedited people shots (first on M3, second on a II).  I don't have a Summicron but there was a comparison piece in LFI 6/2011 of various old and new 50s. I had trouble seeing big differences in the bokeh at f2 between the pre-asph summilux and the Summicron IV. Perhaps the latter was somewhat crisper in the field of focus. One thing that seemed evident to me was the comparison (p42) at f2.5/2.8. The IV seemed to have a sharper transition from in-focus to OOF (see the zipper) than the pre-asph Summilux. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173239-50mm-summciron-or-pre-asph-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=1933678'>More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share #3 Â Posted February 21, 2012 Do you subscribe for LFI soft copy and do you know if you can get electronic back copies ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share #4 Â Posted February 21, 2012 Ps nice pictures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 21, 2012 Share #5  Posted February 21, 2012 Thanks Hope they give some impression at least.  They sell it in a bookshop here in town. Unfortunately I don't know if one can get it electronically.  Edit: You can buy back issues though for 5€. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redridge Posted February 21, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted February 21, 2012 if you don't need a fast lens... the cron is amazing, however the lux at 1.4 is the only way I shoot my 50 since it just doesn't get any better. My .02. Â I believe Steve Huff has some comparison shots... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #7 Â Posted February 26, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have just bought an 87 V2 Summilux 50mm, it should arrive this week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted February 26, 2012 Share #8  Posted February 26, 2012 Good job! I have the pre-asph 50 and love it to bits. Had it CLA'd & 6-bit coded in Solms. The round of servicing made it even better.. everything about it just works nice & smooth. And I like the built-in hood. No worries about losing it  //Juha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted February 26, 2012 Share #9 Â Posted February 26, 2012 The Summilux has a bit focus-shift. Not very much, noticeable at short distances about 1 m and open aperture. Instead of this an very fine lens. Â Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 26, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted February 26, 2012 Congrats! Chrome or black? V2, is that the one with the "scalloped" focusing ring (as described in the wiki)? Â I'm sure you'll be very pleased with it. I am in two minds whether I should keep my pre-asph now that I have the asph. Will have to do some further testing. Â I have just bought an 87 V2 Summilux 50mm, it should arrive this week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #11  Posted February 26, 2012 Black, 3256*** serial number no focus tab, which is a shame Pictures and description look very nice indeed  I am hoping to move the a chrome M9-P then decide which lenses I keep (I have 21,24,28, 35, now 50, 90) I have just sold my 75  I think I will kep the 21 and 24 (Not that I will need to but I can't bring myself to consider moving on) I am selling my 35 Cron asph.  So thinking about keeping the 28 Cron and looking at some older 35's until the heat comes out of the FLE market ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #12  Posted February 26, 2012 Congrats! Chrome or black? V2, is that the one with the "scalloped" focusing ring (as described in the wiki)? I'm sure you'll be very pleased with it. I am in two minds whether I should keep my pre-asph now that I have the asph. Will have to do some further testing.  I'll be interested in your findings ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted February 26, 2012 Share #13  Posted February 26, 2012 I have owned both lenses.  The Summicron is indubitably sharp. It is also unreliable in that it does sometimes ruin your pictures – the best ones, needless to say – with strange flare phenomena. One of these is a trapezoidal patch of flare in the part of the image opposite a large bright area. It is also prone to overall flare.  The old Summilux is very resistant to flare and internal reflections. Its rendering is nice, but wide open and in fact at all large apertures, it is sharp only on axis (in the paraxial area, to be precise) and increasingly soft as you move out from it. Overall sharpness is decent at 1:4–1:5.6, but you have to stop the lens down to f:8 in order to have a sharp image overall.  So I sold both and bought a Summilux ASPH, not because I necessarily needed the speed (even though that was in 2005, before the M8) but because it is amazingly sharp, renders very pleasantly, has even better bokeh than the old Summilux – and I can always trust it.  But if you like a nice but not totally sharp lens – and in that case, who am I to tell you that you are wrong? – then I can recommend that old warhorse Summilux. It was part of the Leica stable from 1962 to 2004, which is a record that not even the 5cm Elmar can touch.  LB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share #14  Posted March 12, 2012 I simply love the 50 Summilux pre asph, V2. My sample is a late German built one and it is superb in every respect.  In bright conditions with high contract I can see aberrations if I pixel peep, but the bokeh and rendering is wonderful. At might this comes into it's own, take it to a cafe in the evening and the performance wide open is stunning. The right balance between sharp but not digitally sharp and soft bokeh. Also the right amount of contrast as well. It's s keeper ! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173239-50mm-summciron-or-pre-asph-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=1951530'>More sharing options...
Jon Pop Posted March 12, 2012 Share #15  Posted March 12, 2012 I've owned a 1973 Summicron and currently own the latest version with the pull-out hood.  Contrary to the earlier post about cautions with the Cron, I have never experienced flare with either lens, whether against light, alongside it, mid day, or out in extremely bright light in the mountains. And that's usually without a hood. If you check out the Leica Camera blog, there's a good recent post this past week on the 'Cron and its awesomeness!:  Robert Callway: 50mm Summicron – The Right Kind of Everything  Sometimes I read the forums and there seems to be such a strong division...as though only the Lux could take good portraits, and only the Cron is good for sharp pictures. I've wanted to get a new 50 Lux ASPH, but am not interested in a year or more wait list in order to avoid getting gouged by someone on eBay who's bought three of them and is now jacking the price. I do like the Cron for its compact size, great fast focusing, and 39mm filter size. The sharpness is incredible....I don't think there's a lens out there that can compete, and most people would be hard pressed to argue with me about that, technically or aesthetically. I know that the Lux can be 'just as sharp' when stopped down, but I would only buy a Lux for shooting wide open...I'm sure the Lux is dreamier and better at 1.4 or 2 than the Cron at 2. But the Cron's not bad at all; quite the contrary. Right now, I have a 'poor man's Lux'...an old 1955 (but very clean) Summarit f1.5. At 1.5 it renders backgrounds pretty 'Van Gogh' like...swirly Xenon stuff which I use for specific effect (it pales compared to a Lux of course). I'm debating if I should go on the wait list for an ASPH or just get a V.2 Lux and be done with it. But I'll never get rid of the Summicron....it will never be an 'either/or' for me...rather an 'and/but'.  Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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