jaapv Posted January 9, 2012 Share #1 Posted January 9, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is there a way to adapt a 6.8 400 or 560 to the Televit? I have the 14137 adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted January 9, 2012 Share #2 Posted January 9, 2012 I think not... or, better to say, practically not... the dimensions of the various components of the two systems are such that I have the impression that to adapt the "trombone-focusing" units of the 6,8s to the Televit focusing mount one would need to "saw away" some centimeters of good Leitz metal... everything can be done & properly machined, of course, but... (anyway... this evening I'll give a look to the two breeds and see if there is some odd possibility... but imho the basic problem is that Televit has ITS focusing system, while the 6.8 glasses cannot be separated from THEIR focusing system... not a fine match to engineer....) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted January 9, 2012 So I have to keep up the search for an orphan Telyt 560/5.6 lenshead or a Telyt 560/5.6 V lens I guess... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 9, 2012 Share #4 Posted January 9, 2012 Complete kits here... Products Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted January 9, 2012 Far,far too expensive - I would prefer a single Telyt. It will come, I have patience Btw - Erwin Puts shows a Telyt 6.8 on Televit in his new Compendium, or so he claims. I think he mislabeled the photo..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 9, 2012 Share #6 Posted January 9, 2012 Far,far too expensive - I would prefer a single Telyt. It will come, I have patience Btw - Erwin Puts shows a Telyt 6.8 on Televit in his new Compendium, or so he claims. I think he mislabeled the photo..... Yes... and he also published the pic of a 560 as illustration of the 800 !!! shame !!! I agree, that those kits are too expensive... good for a newbie to the Telyt word who finds in a single shot a well complete set... price-for-weight is reasonable, in this sense... Wait and you'll find a head... I did, and last year finally found a 280V3 lenshead only, with Televit adapter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 9, 2012 Share #7 Posted January 9, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think not... or, better to say, practically not... the dimensions of the various components of the two systems are such that I have the impression that to adapt the "trombone-focusing" units of the 6,8s to the Televit focusing mount one would need to "saw away" some centimeters of good Leitz metal... everything can be done & properly machined, of course, but... (anyway... this evening I'll give a look to the two breeds and see if there is some odd possibility... but imho the basic problem is that Televit has ITS focusing system, while the 6.8 glasses cannot be separated from THEIR focusing system... not a fine match to engineer....) Jaap... CAN BE DONE for 560 6,8 : very simple, only, to be found the right craftman and the RIGHT metal alloy... but you have just a tube (NOT of constant diameter... conical in theory, or "stepped" ) to be machined at the two ends, with two male threads : - (Red) : not true for 560 6,8 : the element with glasses can be unscrewed from the focusing unit : this is the main trick. - Dismount it - Have a tube of the RIGHT length machined at both ends, two male threads one matching the 560 6,8 lenshead, the other matching 14137. - Job done - exclusive half breed Telyt - interesting collectible - good user item (Televit is better than the "trombone" - but 560 6,8 is better than 5,6). Issues : - Length must be computed with care (you surely are able to) - but a decent tolerancing is allowed (Televit is "abundant" in focus throw) - Threads must be machined VERY well and the end to 14137 better to be done like the original ones (not simply a thread... a little appendix to facilitate mount) - 14137 f stop ring won't match real apertures... 5,6=6,8 etc... easy to be recomputed and taken in your mind (a sort of 1/2 stop "correction" ... and anyway TTL metering is right, of course). If this can worth... to be evaluated... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted January 10, 2012 Share #8 Posted January 10, 2012 You could start with this... Leica Leitz Telyt 5,6/400 Objektivkopf für Televit | eBay John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 10, 2012 Share #9 Posted January 10, 2012 I'm not a passionate of ebay auctions... but 1 EURO is tempting... even if one starts with a shocking 10x bid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted January 11, 2012 Share #10 Posted January 11, 2012 Not for the Televit, but nice anyway... Leitz Leica Telyth-R 6,8/560 für Leica R-6 u.s.w., sehr guter Zustand | eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted January 12, 2012 Yes. . Thank you. However I'll wait for a V version, and I think the price is a bit optimistic. The market for R 560s must be minimal. I'll see what that 400 does. For the time being I am the highest bidder at 1.50 Euro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 12, 2012 Share #12 Posted January 12, 2012 Yes. . Thank you. However I'll wait for a V version, and I think the price is a bit optimistic. The market for R 560s must be minimal. I'll see what that 400 does. For the time being I am the highest bidder at 1.50 Euro ... I hope you aren't offended if I decide to overbid you at 3 or 4 Euro... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share #14 Posted January 12, 2012 ... I hope you aren't offended if I decide to overbid you at 3 or 4 Euro...what a disappointment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 13, 2012 Share #15 Posted January 13, 2012 Just to clarify things - Leica made 400 f/6.8 and 560 f/6.8 "heads" to fit both the Televit trigger-grip, and the earlier Telyt (trombone push-pull) focus mechanisms. So it is perfectly possible and accurate that Puts shows a Televit with a 560 mounted. Same glass, but I suspect not interchangeable metal. Novoflex also made a Televit-like trigger-focus mount for these lenses, as well as selling their own 400 and 600 "Noflexar" optics for the same mount. With a Leica logo added, the Novoflex-made focus unit was the one Leica actually sold for the last 10-15 years of production of the f/6.8 Telyts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 13, 2012 Share #16 Posted January 13, 2012 Sorry Andy, but what you say is new for me... afaik the story is different : - Televit (focusing stage with pistol grip and finger-operated focus knob) is the EARLIER design (intro 1966 for Viso - 1968 for R) : uses the 14137 diaphragm unit and accepts 400/560 f 5,6 lenses (and also 280 f 4,8 and previous 400 f5 heads - without the 14137) - 400 and 560 f 6,8 ("trombone" focusing) are LATER designs (intro 1969 - 400, 1971 - 560, Viso and R at the same time); the 400 appeared some time before as a prototype (infact it was known also as the "Grenoble" - 1968 Olympics, and was also protyped with f 8 aperture). 6,8 Telyts have a shoulder support (some variants) and were available for many years (till 1990 the R, 1985 the Viso). Indeed the two systems were availble also in same years : Televit with 5,6 lenses endured until 72-73, but afaik 6,8 lenses weren't available for Televit... the Puts' illustration (page 594 "Televit version") displays a 560 f 5,6 : I have it and am 100% sure about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share #17 Posted January 14, 2012 Just to clarify things - Leica made 400 f/6.8 and 560 f/6.8 "heads" to fit both the Televit trigger-grip, and the earlier Telyt (trombone push-pull) focus mechanisms. So it is perfectly possible and accurate that Puts shows a Televit with a 560 mounted. Same glass, but I suspect not interchangeable metal. Novoflex also made a Televit-like trigger-focus mount for these lenses, as well as selling their own 400 and 600 "Noflexar" optics for the same mount. With a Leica logo added, the Novoflex-made focus unit was the one Leica actually sold for the last 10-15 years of production of the f/6.8 Telyts. I have a Televit and a 6.8 400 and I can assure you - there is no way it could ever fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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