stunsworth Posted February 24, 2007 Share #61  Posted February 24, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Glad you got it all sorted out Wilson, not exactly how you wanted, but you have a working system.  Incidentally if you need any cards I see 7 Day Shop - 7dayshop.com - Online Store - are selling 2 gig SD cards for £7.99!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share #62  Posted February 24, 2007 Glad you got it all sorted out Wilson, not exactly how you wanted, but you have a working system. Incidentally if you need any cards I see 7 Day Shop - 7dayshop.com - Online Store - are selling 2 gig SD cards for £7.99!!!  I bought one of the OEM 4 gig x133 cards from MyMemory (VERY similar address to 7dayshop), which they said that they thought was a Toshiba. The M8 did not like it very much. Write was fine but it kept hanging up when play was pushed and was very slow on DNG writing in comparison to the Sandisk Ultra II or Extreme III. I have put the 4 Gig card in my wife's Panasonic Leica, which seems perfectly happy with it. That will allow her to take about 10 years worth of photos on one card!  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_h Posted February 24, 2007 Share #63  Posted February 24, 2007 BTW has anyone been seeing strange blue artifacts in PSE when you play with shadows in the RAW editor? They disappear sometimes when you zoom in and don't appear in C1, so maybe it is something to do with scaling for screen display. When running C1, this is the first time I have found my 1.4Ghz G4 iBook numbingly S------L------O-----W. Wilson  Hi Wilson,  Good to see you have a solution.  Blue artifacts - Yes I've seen those too, it surely must be an anomaly to ACR.  C1 - I'm not sure of the implications in a Mac but allowing the preview cache to get too large has a negative impact on a pc's performance. If you have 2 hard drives perhaps it may help to set the preview cache folder on a different drive..? Is it similiar to the idea of scratch disks in photoshop ? Perhaps a Mac man can answer this better.  Regards Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share #64  Posted February 24, 2007 Hi Wilson, Good to see you have a solution.  Blue artifacts - Yes I've seen those too, it surely must be an anomaly to ACR.  C1 - I'm not sure of the implications in a Mac but allowing the preview cache to get too large has a negative impact on a pc's performance. If you have 2 hard drives perhaps it may help to set the preview cache folder on a different drive..? Is it similiar to the idea of scratch disks in photoshop ? Perhaps a Mac man can answer this better.  Regards Jim  Jim,  On the iBook I think it is simply a case of trying to "get a quart into a pint pot". C1 runs fine on my Dual 2.3 Powermac and 2.1 Ghz Intel Duo-Core 2 iMac. On the iBook I have the drive partitioned as a single 100Gb drive so no scope for improvement. I also have the fastest available G4 chip in there (1.4 Ghz) which will fit and maximum 768Mb RAM. The easy answer is just to use it as a storage and/or quick viewer device and wait until I get home to manipulate the RAW images on a bigger, faster machine.  The screen colours are not brilliant on the iBook either and I made the mistake on a long trip to India in 2005, of doing all the post-production on my iBook every night. I then had to do it all over again when I got home and had a calibrated screen. it was a waste of time plus it tended to irritate my wife, me playing with a laptop every night.  My son is quite keen on "nicking" my iBook, as he only has a desktop at university. If Apple come out with a really small travel MacBook Pro, as is rumoured, I would look at that. The current MacBook is little big plus I don't like the shiny screen. The pro series has the option of matt or shiny.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 24, 2007 Share #65 Â Posted February 24, 2007 FYI . C1 is more a processor hog than a ram hog. We all know PS is a ram hungry program but really just the opposite with C1 it leans more on the processor side. Laptop use is fine but of course processor speed and laptop color monitors are not the most ideal. For me the laptop serves as more a holding tank and viewer than to actually process the files which i save until I get home to the main machine which has much more power and color managed better. Not that you can't use a laptop it is just a much slower process and you maybe guessing more at the color and such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted February 24, 2007 Share #66 Â Posted February 24, 2007 Willson, Â I'm glad to see turning iPhoto off as I suggested back in post #41 solved the problem. I wouldn't mention it, but it is an extrodinary thing for me to give computer advice and have it actually work. !:^) Â Best, Â Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share #67  Posted February 24, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Willson, I'm glad to see turning iPhoto off as I suggested back in post #41 solved the problem. I wouldn't mention it, but it is an extrodinary thing for me to give computer advice and have it actually work. !:^)  Best,  Mitchell  Mitchell  The problem was in getting the D*** thing to stay off. I hate iPhoto! Roll on PSE5 for Mac, hopefully with the organiser.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted February 24, 2007 Share #68 Â Posted February 24, 2007 Wilson, Â I had the same problem! I just couldn't remember what the hell I did to fix it. Glad it's working now. Â Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holgerf Posted February 25, 2007 Share #69  Posted February 25, 2007 The only Mac programs supplied are Leica Digital Capture for direct control of the camera from a computer - that works fine but is not a downloader and Capture One, which cannot find the M8 when directly connected. I am not sure if there is something else supplied for Windows.  Wilson  @Wilson  There is a misunderstanding from your site reading the Leica manual. The mentioned program "Digital Pictures" does exist; it is an Apple programm, not a Leica program - like you assumed.  Solution No. 1 If you want do copy the files from the camera bevor you start C1:  (1) Locate the program "Digital Pictures" in the folder "Programs". (2) Start the program and open "Preferences" from the menu "Digital Pictures". (3) Click to the tab "General". (4) From the pop-up-menu choose "Digital Pictures". (5) Click ok and quit the program.  From now on the program "Digital Picture" will start automatically every time you connect a camera (including M8). You can then download the images to a folder of your choice.  Solution No 2 If you want to have C1 started automatically when connecting the camera:  Same procedure as above except point (4) where you have to associate "Capture One" by choosing the option "other" and then pointing to "Capture One".  Wilson, you are not the only one misunderstanding the text in the M8 manual. And unfortunately it is hard to know that the Preferences of the program "Digital Pictures" is the place to decide which program will open connecting a camera even if you don't want to deal with Digital Pictures anyway.  I hope this helps. Besides that I totally agree with Guy.  Best Holger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share #70  Posted February 25, 2007 @Wilson There is a misunderstanding from your site reading the Leica manual. The mentioned program "Digital Pictures" does exist; it is an Apple programm, not a Leica program - like you assumed.  Solution No. 1 If you want do copy the files from the camera bevor you start C1:  (1) Locate the program "Digital Pictures" in the folder "Programs". (2) Start the program and open "Preferences" from the menu "Digital Pictures". (3) Click to the tab "General". (4) From the pop-up-menu choose "Digital Pictures". (5) Click ok and quit the program.  From now on the program "Digital Picture" will start automatically every time you connect a camera (including M8). You can then download the images to a folder of your choice.  Solution No 2 If you want to have C1 started automatically when connecting the camera:  Same procedure as above except point (4) where you have to associate "Capture One" by choosing the option "other" and then pointing to "Capture One".  Wilson, you are not the only one misunderstanding the text in the M8 manual. And unfortunately it is hard to know that the Preferences of the program "Digital Pictures" is the place to decide which program will open connecting a camera even if you don't want to deal with Digital Pictures anyway.  I hope this helps. Besides that I totally agree with Guy.  Best Holger  Holger,  Digital Pictures is called "Image Capture" in the English language version of OS 10.4. I assume "Digital Pictures" is a direct translation from the German. This is the mistake Leica made in their manual and failed to have it checked by an English language Mac user. There is no program called Digital Pictures in English - try Googling for it.  I had never had the requirement to use Image Capture prior to having the M8, as all my other digital cameras load directly into iPhoto and my Sony R1 uses its own RAW handling program. Once you have used Image Capture once, then it auto starts, as you have mentioned.  Image Capture is a strange program and on my PowerMac, has caused problems with my Canon film scanner, where it tries to intercept the scan before it reaches the Canon PhotoStudio or VueScan programs. Having the film and document scanners connected also meant that every time you ran Image Capture, for some weird reason, iPhoto started up, which will not handle DNG files. This meant that Image Capture refused to download the DNG files to the hard drive. I have been doing some research and I believe that it is as a result of Apple/Adobe/Canon not talking to each other or at least only via lawyers. Once you disconnect the scanners, iPhoto does not start and everything works as it should, with Image Capture downloading the DNG files to the hard drive.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holgerf Posted February 26, 2007 Share #71  Posted February 26, 2007 Holger, Digital Pictures is called "Image Capture" in the English language version of OS 10.4. I assume "Digital Pictures" is a direct translation from the German. This is the mistake Leica made in their manual and failed to have it checked by an English language Mac user. There is no program called Digital Pictures in English - try Googling for it.  Sorry you're right! I was so sure that it's named Digital Pictures   Image Capture is a strange program and on my PowerMac, has caused problems with my Canon film scanner, where it tries to intercept the scan before it reaches the Canon PhotoStudio or VueScan programs. Having the film and document scanners connected also meant that every time you ran Image Capture, for some weird reason, iPhoto started up, which will not handle DNG files. This meant that Image Capture refused to download the DNG files to the hard drive. I have been doing some research and I believe that it is as a result of Apple/Adobe/Canon not talking to each other or at least only via lawyers. Once you disconnect the scanners, iPhoto does not start and everything works as it should, with Image Capture downloading the DNG files to the hard drive.  I did not realize that you get the problem having two hardware devices connectet. I believe that one of the third parties (Canon, Leica) made mistake with their software. I suffered from a similar problem when I tried to connect an HP all-in-one-printer as well as an Epson scanner. As soon as I installed the software for the one the other stopped working and viceverca. Neither Epson nor HP could help me out  I hope you can enjoy your equipment inspite of these problems.  Best Holger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted February 26, 2007 Share #72  Posted February 26, 2007 Wilson, I thought Photoshop already supported the M8? Certainly CS3 - which uses Raw 3.6 does. I'll try CS2 this evening. No idea about Elements, though I would expect that having to make it a universal binary would complicate matters. Presumably they've looked at the sales of the different versions and decided that the number of sales to Mac uses doesn't warrant people being diverted away from working on CS3.  Steve  Actually CS3 uses ACR 4.0 Beta, not 3.6 or 3.7. CS2 now uses the new 3.7 which is an improvement for sure over 3.6. But 4.0 looks the best I have seen from Adobe when it comes to raw conversion. I still prefer C1 but I also like Lightroom as well. Pays your moneys and takes your choice as the old saying goes. I personally think that Lightroom is going to be the big winner as it integrates DAM and Raw Conversion quite well indeed. The next six months are going to be revelationery I believe.  Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share #73  Posted February 26, 2007 Steve Actually CS3 uses ACR 4.0 Beta, not 3.6 or 3.7. CS2 now uses the new 3.7 which is an improvement for sure over 3.6. But 4.0 looks the best I have seen from Adobe when it comes to raw conversion. I still prefer C1 but I also like Lightroom as well. Pays your moneys and takes your choice as the old saying goes. I personally think that Lightroom is going to be the big winner as it integrates DAM and Raw Conversion quite well indeed. The next six months are going to be revelationery I believe.  Woody Spedden  Woody,  Does CS3 beta include Lightroom or does it still use Bridge. I might go to the Adobe stand at Focus on Imaging when I am there today and see if they are doing an "at the show" advance purchase special price for CS3, like they have sometimes done in the past.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 26, 2007 Share #74 Â Posted February 26, 2007 CS3 does not include Lightroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 26, 2007 Author Share #75  Posted February 26, 2007 Hi Wilson, Good to see you have a solution.  Blue artifacts - Yes I've seen those too, it surely must be an anomaly to ACR.  Regards Jim  I asked at Focus on Imaging today - apparently it means that shadows are being clipped.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted February 26, 2007 Share #76  Posted February 26, 2007 Uncheck the highligh and shadow check boxes and the red and blue pixels indicating highlight and shadow clipping will go away...  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/16995-new-camera-raw-in-photoshop-no-m8/?do=findComment&comment=183901'>More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 26, 2007 Share #77  Posted February 26, 2007 But, Carl, then you wouldn't know where to recover your highlights or blacks  The blue / yellow indicators are very, very useful when shooting RAW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share #78  Posted February 27, 2007 But, Carl, then you wouldn't know where to recover your highlights or blacks  The blue / yellow indicators are very, very useful when shooting RAW  I agree. Now that I know what they are, they are going to be very useful. I wish I had had longer to sit in on some of the free tutorials at Focus on Imaging. It is only when you listen to these guys that you realize how little you know, even if like me, you have been using PS for nearly ten years.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_h Posted February 27, 2007 Share #79  Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks Wilson  I'll have to watch out for that.  Thought you might like this link. I have watched one or two of them ( for all the good it has done me ! ).  Photoshop TV  They do 2/3 tutorials every week and are always useful.   Regards Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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