UK Price Rise in 2012?

[larsv]

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As in most places and in Holland, it depends on the contract. If you place a firm order with a fixed price, than the price indeed is fixed. If the order is firm, but provides for changing market prices, than the price is not fixed. If you put yourselves on a waiting list, without a firm order, I don't think you have an agreement but only a letter of intent, subject to all parameters to be agreed.

 

If you put money down on a firm order, you are financing your supplier, or your supplier's supplier.

 

Make sure, the general terms and conditions indeed provide for a fixed price.

[leicanet]

Looks like between 2 and 8% on lenses

 

The 21 and 24 Summiliux's at the top end. Most look to be 3-5%

 

 

Tri-Elmar 16-18-21 ASPH

Now £4365 +£148 (+_ 3.5% up from List Price January and July 2011)

 

Summilux 21/1.4 ASPH and 24/1.4 ASPH

Now £4950 +£360 (+_8%)

 

Summicron-M 28/2 ASPH

Now £3015 +£79 (+_2.5%)

 

Elmar 24/3.8 ASPH

Now £1800 +£45 (+_2.5%)

 

Elmarit 28/2.8 ASPH

Now £1530 +£84 (+_5.5%)

 

Summilux 35/1.4 ASPH

Now £3555 +£108 (+_3%)

 

Summicron 35/2 ASPH

Now £2160 +£51 (+_3%)

 

50/0.95 Noctilux ASPH

Now £7650 +£302 (+_4%)

 

50/1.4 Summilux ASPH

Now £2655 +£100 (+_4%)

 

50/2 Summicron

Now £1575 +£109 (+_8%)

 

75/2 APO Summicron ASPH

Now £2565 +£180 (+_7%)

 

90/2 APO Summicron ASPH

Now £2655 +£30 (+_1.25%)

 

135/3.4 APO-Telyt

Now £2475 +£182 (+_7.5%)

 

90mm f4 Macro Elmar set with Angle Finder M & Macro Adapter

Now £2835 +£83 (+_3%)

 

35/2.5 Summarit

Now £1305 +£65 (+_4.5%)

 

50/2.5 Summarit

Now £1080 +£74 (+_7%)

 

75/2.5 Summarit

Now £1305 +£65 (+_4.5%)

 

90/2.5 Summarit

Now £1305 +£65 (+_4.5%)

 

Gone/Discontinued

28/2 Summicron ASPH Silver

21/2.8 Elmarit ASPH

24/2.8 Elmarit ASPH

Macro-Adapter-M on its own at £735

 

I think used prices have gone up much more than 2-8% during 2011...

[Paulus]

As in most places and in Holland, it depends on the contract. If you place a firm order with a fixed price, than the price indeed is fixed. If the order is firm, but provides for changing market prices, than the price is not fixed. If you put yourselves on a waiting list, without a firm order, I don't think you have an agreement but only a letter of intent, subject to all parameters to be agreed.

 

If you put money down on a firm order, you are financing your supplier, or your supplier's supplier.

 

Make sure, the general terms and conditions indeed provide for a fixed price.

 

Lars, this puzzles me a bit. Quite some years ago, I bought a Nikon F4 camera in a dutch camera shop in Utrecht. ( the shop survived until today ). I down payed f 500,- on the price of f 2500,- because I didn't have enough money. The shopkeep said the camera would stay in the shop until I had the rest of the money, but stated , that legally it was mine. He couldn't sell the thing to a third party for a year, if I didn't pay the rest of the money.

 

Is something changed nowadays. If I order a camera or lens and make a downpayment of 1/5 of the price. I state two things:

 

The item is already partly paid for, the price is fixed because we reached an agreement. The risk of increasing prices is for the shop. The other way around is also possible. If prices decreased. The price of my item was also fixed and I would not pay less. ( Exept if the shopkeeper insisted;) )

[larsv]

Hi Paulus,

 

Could you be more specific as to what puzzles you? If you have agreed a fixed price and you have committed to a sale and transfer of the equipment and you made a downpayment (installment), the seller can require you to live up to the agreement. If the agreement states, that you are in default if you don't pay the remainder within a year and the pre agreed consequence of that is that you forego the downpayment and loose title and interest to the equipment, than that is what you have agreed to. If you have not agreed to any provisions regarding title or interest, the seller has an unsatisfied (and if you already took possession of the equipment a unsecured one as well) claim against you and may require you to live up to it. Did you already get the equipment in hand, or was it still with the seller? As in the NL, moveable property in fact is owned by the one who physically has in in possession. My interpretation, I'm not a lawyer, just deal with a lot of legal stuff. I believe Sander van Hulsenbeek is a lawyer, maybe ask him.

 

Best,

Lars

[Paulus]

What puzzles me is what you mean with a " firm " order.

 

if you make a " downpayment" by sending the dealer money, or a lens or camera, which you want to trade in for the new item. If the dealer agrees with his and your price. Is that a " firm " offer?

[jaapv]

Lars, this puzzles me a bit. Quite some years ago, I bought a Nikon F4 camera in a dutch camera shop in Utrecht. ( the shop survived until today ). I down payed f 500,- on the price of f 2500,- because I didn't have enough money. The shopkeep said the camera would stay in the shop until I had the rest of the money, but stated , that legally it was mine. He couldn't sell the thing to a third party for a year, if I didn't pay the rest of the money.

 

Is something changed nowadays. If I order a camera or lens and make a downpayment of 1/5 of the price. I state two things:

 

The item is already partly paid for, the price is fixed because we reached an agreement. The risk of increasing prices is for the shop. The other way around is also possible. If prices decreased. The price of my item was also fixed and I would not pay less. ( Exept if the shopkeeper insisted;) )

Normally the terms of sale state that the goods remain the property of the seller until paid in full. This is, amongst other reasons, a protection for the seller in case of bankrupcy by the buyer.

[pedaes]

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The buyer who has paid a deposit, or even not collected their goods, has little protection if the seller goes bankrupt in the UK, as their status is that of unsecured creditor.

[larsv]

The buyer who has paid a deposit, or even not collected their goods, has little protection if the seller goes bankrupt in the UK, as their status is that of unsecured creditor.

 

Same in Holland

[larsv]

What puzzles me is what you mean with a " firm " order.

 

if you make a " downpayment" by sending the dealer money, or a lens or camera, which you want to trade in for the new item. If the dealer agrees with his and your price. Is that a " firm " offer?

 

I think so.

[IWC Doppel]

I am making the assumption that Leica dealers make a substantial margin on Leica goods. Many dealers are near empty and I see no real 'panic' regarding their position, being unable to supply.

 

Any good dealer must have the flexibility to honour what was in essence an agreement

[Paulus]

I am making the assumption that Leica dealers make a substantial margin on Leica goods. Many dealers are near empty and I see no real 'panic' regarding their position, being unable to supply.

 

Any good dealer must have the flexibility to honour what was in essence an agreement

 

 

 

But it can't be good for business if you have to sell " no" all the time, because you have no goods for sale. You only can make a profit if you sell enough. Are you implying that all dealers still sell enough lenses and bodies at this moment to keep their profits? What about the number of shops which are opened for instance in the east. Aren't they sucking away the stock and depriving the European dealers of their profit?

[Paulus]

Price rise U.S:

 

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