pico Posted December 7, 2011 Share #1 Posted December 7, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) that big USA auction site item # 320805452264 Curious thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Hi pico, Take a look here Mystery Leitz bellows device large format. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted December 7, 2011 Share #2 Posted December 7, 2011 "Curios" is the right term... . Wooden cameras is a highly specialized field... I don't dare at all to make assertions on this piece's authenticy as a Leitz product... surely it ought to be considered with strict attention by some expert. btw... Barnack's own 5x7 field camera was (as reported by his son) a Nettel... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted December 8, 2011 Share #3 Posted December 8, 2011 I have the same engraved plaques on an ULEJA dia projector coming from the USA Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/168078-mystery-leitz-bellows-device-large-format/?do=findComment&comment=1865301'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 8, 2011 Share #4 Posted December 8, 2011 That's a good step towards authenticy of the ebayed camera... even if a plaque is very easy to be relocated... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted December 8, 2011 Share #5 Posted December 8, 2011 I would think the plaque might possibly prove that it was owned by Leitz rather than manufactured by Leitz. The "Germany" plaque doesn't match. I saw this auction already and something doesn't seem correct to me. I'd pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted December 8, 2011 Share #6 Posted December 8, 2011 I would think the plaque might possibly prove that it was owned by Leitz rather than manufactured by Leitz. The "Germany" plaque doesn't match...... I sincerely doubt that Leitz of the late 1800's / early 1900's would install their own plaques on field cameras that they did not manufacture. The term 'Betriebsk' came a lot later..... As to the 'Germany' plaque not matching - J.C.'s projector came from the US so, obviously it had to have a separate plaque attached either by the factory or, by the US importer, indicating place of origin. Best, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 8, 2011 Share #7 Posted December 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I sincerely doubt that Leitz of the late 1800's / early 1900's would install their own plaques on field cameras that they did not manufacture.Jan Correct... but imho the real issue is who has really installed THAT (authentic, I think) plaque ? A pair of years ago, in my town, I found at flea market an old cheap 6x9 folding camera with a no-name 105 6,3 lens and a 25/50/75 "click" shutter : it had a small "Zeiss Ikon" plaque attached on the front... and was definitely not a Zeiss Ikon Camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 8, 2011 Share #8 Posted December 8, 2011 David Stephens currently has a Leitz 'Moment' 6x9 bellows camera listed in his inventory circa pre-1920. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 8, 2011 Share #9 Posted December 8, 2011 The Moment (and the Klapp) were cameras that Leitz did not produce in-house - they were outsourced and equipped with Leitz lenses ; and they were anyway metal - made cameras : afaik, Leitz never sold field cameras made of wood... the only cameras with wooden parts were photomicrography devices they made around '900 as accessories for their microscopes (their most important product line in those years): the item for sale doesn't look to me a micrography camera (they were made for working in vertical position)... even if the device around the lens flange could worth a specific inspection... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted December 8, 2011 Share #10 Posted December 8, 2011 What about this one ? Sensational Leitz (4,5 x 6 cm) No. 7 Fi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 9, 2011 Share #11 Posted December 9, 2011 Imho(*)... a fine wooden camera with a Leitz Lens... no less, no more.... not a product made & sold by Leitz Company. really imho... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted December 9, 2011 Share #12 Posted December 9, 2011 Imho(*)... a fine wooden camera with a Leitz Lens... no less, no more.... not a product made & sold by Leitz Company. really imho... True, this camera, made for study or exhibition, was not produced to be sold to the public. It's an handmade Versuchskamera, wooden camera with this features were not in production everywhere (I mean even without a Leitz lens mounted). It's very small, not bigger than a screwmount Leica, even if of very different shape, is more impressive live than in pictures, better if there is a Leica camera alongside. Very well finished, heavy even if small. The camera changed hands two years ago for a much higher price, I know the owner, that showed to me one time. He made some research and the museum in Essen confirmed the story to him, having the other known sample. He told me that the original owner was a big french collector (I don't remember the name) that passed away some years ago. May be that JC know him? greets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 9, 2011 Share #13 Posted December 9, 2011 The screwheads on the plaques look wrong. I think most bidders are aware this is an amusing "bitza" (bits of this; bits of that), otherwise the price would be a lot higher than $405. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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