WestMichigan Posted November 12, 2011 Share #21 Posted November 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you can swing a deal with this dealer... Maybe you can get the one you were already happy with, only with a fresh service by Leica and a new sensor. If I'm not mistaken, this dreaded 'line' problem was limited to an early production problem at Kodak and essentially a non factor once Kodak got it's OEM issues fixed. If the M9 is what you lust for, it's what you lust for, but be careful of committing that many more dollars/euros to get a digital M just because of a bum experience with a particular used M8. Those 'extra' Bucks for the M9 would buy a lot of nice glass for a M8 user. Just my 2cents worth. LSMFT. Not valid in California. Your Mileage May Vary. Objects in Mirror are Closer than they Appear. :-) Richard in Michigan Thanks for the advice...I am still wishing that the camera was with me. The M8 is the first camera that I have thoroughly enjoyed since selling off my Contax SLR's to move into digital. I am considering the sale of my Canon 5D2 to put towards an M9... Though I would happily give another M8 a try if I could find one that has been serviced and under warranty. I shoot too much to have to worry about a camera that might fail... I think, with all of the reported sensor issues, one must own two M8's if they shoot as much as I do. Sadly, this would require a $4800 investment, and thus the sale of of my current gear to fund a pair o bodies & the three lenses I would need. I will try again when the right gear crosses my path. Regards, bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BLeventhal Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share #22 Posted November 19, 2011 Follow-up for those who might care... So I spoke with the sales people at the shop where I purchased the defective M8 and I indicated that I would repurchase the body (given a reasonable price) once it was serviced and under warranty... Surprisingly, two days later, I see the camera for sale on their Ebay site... listed as "in great condition" and "checked out." Wow... needless to say, I was shocked about this unethical move. While I realize that business is business, however if you've been made aware of a problem, one would think that the problem would be resolved prior to selling the camera. Definitely disappointed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted November 19, 2011 Share #23 Posted November 19, 2011 Well, it just tells you that in spite of their properly handling their transaction with you, the axiom of Buyer Beware always applies: A L W A Y S ! ! ! ! Richard in Meeeeechigan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted November 19, 2011 Share #24 Posted November 19, 2011 wow. from what you tell us, it seems like a truly unethical move ... ah, our world ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2011 Share #25 Posted November 21, 2011 That would be the last item I bought from this dealer - ever. You could alert e-Bay to a false description of the goods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted November 21, 2011 Share #26 Posted November 21, 2011 Please tell the shop owner what you think of what they are doing. This is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLeventhal Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share #27 Posted November 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I did communicate my displeasure with the dealer, and suggested that they get the camera serviced and that I would repurchase the repaired body. They did not want to see the images that illustrated the sensor defect and were not interested in my offer. Sadly, it is someone above my salesperson who made the decision to resell the body, as the slesman (a Leica user too) was honestly distressed about my problem. I spoke with the manager and indicated that I would no longer look to them for my equipment needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted November 22, 2011 Share #28 Posted November 22, 2011 Good on you. and Good on you for taking it up with a manager. Ancedotally: I used to have a wonderful brick n mortar in my hometown with motivated, interested, and knowledgeable staff, but that next tier up fellow was a flinty old soul who offered me 10cents on the dollar of a possible trade in. That's ten cents on the dollar of it's current value as a used item! The store is gone now: a victim of B&H, Amazon, and eBay, not to mention the serious declines in the Michigan economy. R. in Mi. I did communicate my displeasure with the dealer, and suggested that they get the camera serviced and that I would repurchase the repaired body. They did not want to see the images that illustrated the sensor defect and were not interested in my offer. Sadly, it is someone above my salesperson who made the decision to resell the body, as the slesman (a Leica user too) was honestly distressed about my problem. I spoke with the manager and indicated that I would no longer look to them for my equipment needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted November 22, 2011 Share #29 Posted November 22, 2011 sorry to hear about the poor service of your dealer. i would go ballistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2011 Share #30 Posted November 23, 2011 Bad service? It is just plain dishonest to knowingly sell goods with hidden defects. (pardon my split infinitive:() Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted November 23, 2011 Share #31 Posted November 23, 2011 well yes, dishonest. i stand corrected, jaapv. would it also be fair enough to assume that this particular, dishonest manager and salesperson already knew about the m8's sensor fault when they sold it to the OP? i'd wager yes. i guess shouldn't go there really but their actions are not fair trade. i've found that the majority of people i've come across for trading leica gear are very, very honest. even pointing out barely visible scratches, dust between glass elements or other marks hardly noticeable under normal viewing conditions. he checked the files on his computer but who's to say they didn't switch for a faulty unit in between times. how would the OP think to check this fact? he shouldn't have to. it's a bad first experience and i hope not one that detracts the OP from persevering with his ambition:mad: the moral for me is: some dealers will always have dirty tricks up their sleeves & be wary of a great deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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