R4 Motor Drive Question

[rafael_macia]

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I am looking for a motor drive to use on my R4. A friend who is a Leica used camera dealer told me to look for the "later" R4 motor, which he said, can be identified by two gold contacts on the motor front.

I guess I dont know where to look but, I want to be able to use the electric trigger with the universal handgrip and shoulder stock (which I already have) to fire the 400/560 6.8 Telyts.

 

Could anyone tell me where to look on the motor drive to be able to tell if it is the later model

Or, do I even Need the later model

 

The trigger I have is Leica # 14 237

 

thanks!

 

Rafael

[StFreud]

Hello Rafael, on the picture you can see a motor winder (older model) and a motor drive (newer model) below. This drive has 3 contacts for the electrical trigger. I hope I could help you. Regards, Stefan

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[rafael_macia]

Hello Rafael, on the picture you can see a motor winder (older model) and a motor drive (newer model) below. This drive has 3 contacts for the electrical trigger. I hope I could help you. Regards, Stefan

Stefan,

 

thank you so much for taking the time to photograph the drives!

 

You show a winder and a motor. I am interested in a motor, and not a winder. So my question is; are there different models of motor drive ?.... newer and older? (drive not winder) ...

 

thanks again.

Rafael

[rafael_macia]

me again,

 

I am a little confused..... I enclose a poicture of a motor drive which lacks the contacts for the electrical release.

 

But is not the #14 237 an electrical release? There is only a six pin screw in contact, I assume goes into the drive screw in hole?

 

Maybe the drive with the contacts is for ANOTHER electric release?

 

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[StFreud]

Good morning Rafael. The 14237 is to connect an the back site of a winder or drive. I think, all winders an drives have this part on the back site. The difference between the older and newer models you can see between your an my drive. There are 3 contacts on the right front side on the newer type. This is important for the grip. The newer grip has the nr. 14308. Your drive is an older type, so you need the older grip, which has no electrical trigger. Greetings, Stefan

[rafael_macia]

Good morning Rafael. The 14237 is to connect an the back site of a winder or drive. I think, all winders an drives have this part on the back site. The difference between the older and newer models you can see between your an my drive. There are 3 contacts on the right front side on the newer type. This is important for the grip. The newer grip has the nr. 14308. Your drive is an older type, so you need the older grip, which has no electrical trigger. Greetings, Stefan

 

Thank you for the clarification. I understand now. The one with the contacts allows one to use a newer grip with an electrical trigger, rather than a manual trigger. The three contacts then have only to do with the handgrip.

 

One question; does the newer and older motor drives have different Part Numbers ?

 

best,

 

Rafael

[telyt]

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The newer winders and drives are labelled "Motor Winder R" and "Motor Drive R" while the older models are labelled "Motor Winder R4" and "Motor Drive R4". The electical contacts can be added to the R4 models to make them functionally equivalent to the later models.

[Guest lll]

Consider that two trigger grips are existing: one for R4-6 and one for R7. The last is a little bit longer as the R7 body has grown in heigth. Nevertheless you can use the R7 grip even at the older bodies. I do so and apppreciate it, as my hands are rather big. The other hand round it does not work too good. The electrical contacts and the functionality are the same. So buying a R7 type brings you to the secure side.

 

Regards

Friedhelm

[rafael_macia]

[Thanks all;

 

This Forum is always a learning experience.

 

RM

 

QUOTE=lll]Consider that two trigger grips are existing: one for R4-6 and one for R7. The last is a little bit longer as the R7 body has grown in heigth. Nevertheless you can use the R7 grip even at the older bodies. I do so and apppreciate it, as my hands are rather big. The other hand round it does not work too good. The electrical contacts and the functionality are the same. So buying a R7 type brings you to the secure side.

 

Regards

Friedhelm

[telyt]

Consider that two trigger grips are existing: one for R4-6 and one for R7

 

Actually, there are three grips. The one made originally for the Winder R4 and Motor Drive R4 has a mechanical linkage to the winder's shutter release button and will work with any of the R4 or R winders and drives (but I didn't like it). The second grip has an electrical linkage to the winder or drive's shutter release (hence the contacts on the front of the winder or drive). This grip will not release the shutter if used on an un-modified R4 winder or drive. The R7 grip as Friedhelm writes is taller and has the electrical linkage to the winder's shutter release.

[jackcous]

I am looking for a motor drive to use on my R4. A friend who is a Leica used camera dealer told me to look for the "later" R4 motor, which he said, can be identified by two gold contacts on the motor front.

I guess I dont know where to look but, I want to be able to use the electric trigger with the universal handgrip and shoulder stock (which I already have) to fire the 400/560 6.8 Telyts.

 

Could anyone tell me where to look on the motor drive to be able to tell if it is the later model

Or, do I even Need the later model

 

The trigger I have is Leica # 14 237

 

thanks!

 

Rafael

Hi there,

 

has anybody of you perhaps a MD-R / motor drive R manual manual als PDF or an idea where to find it?

 

Appreciate your feedback very much, many thanks in advance

 

Thomas

[jaapv]

You don't really need a manual, it is utterly straightforward to use. Switch to single shot or continuous, press shutter to release, hold the shutter for the series.. If you want single shots in continuous mode, pull the cocking lever into the open position. Extras are an electrical switch for the shoulder stock, a handgrip, an external battery holder, an L plate and a timing device. That is all.

Edited April 23, 2010 by jaapv

[rasgo]

I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to clarify the use of the Winder R, because it IS slightly tricky.

1. The manual wind lever functions as an on/off switch. On is when it is pressed in, and Off is when it is extended out. If the manual wind lever is extended, it will not operate.

2. The winder only operates (cocks the shutter and winds the film) when you release the shutter button, i.e. let it go up after pressing it down.

3. The Winder R has no selector for single vs. continuous. Instead, you use the camera's shutter release for single exposures, and the release button on the front of the winder itself for continuous. If you have the handgrip fitted, the button on it is for continuous. Of course, you can still take single exposures with that button, just release it in time.

4. The Motor Drive R has a selector for single, 2fps and 4 fps, on the front. The same button functionalities apply.

5. There is a multiple exposure selector on the bottom of the Winder R, a pointer that chooses one dot or two dots. This is easily mistaken for a single or continuous selector. It is not. The one dot is "normal", the two dots is for multiple exposures on the same frame.

In order to take a double exposure, leave the pointer at one dot, and press the rewind button in the center of the pointer base. Take the first exposure. When you release the shutter button, the camera will cock the shutter, but not wind on the film. You can then take the second exposure. When you release the shutter button the second time, the camera will reset the rewind button, cock the shutter and advance the film normally.

In order to take more than two exposures on the same frame, press the rewind button in, and at the same time, move the pointer to the two-dot position. It becomes clear that the pointer simply locks the rewind button in. Take as many exposures as you need on the same frame. When you are done, move the pointer to one dot, then take two blank exposures with the lens capped, in order to reset the rewind button, and advance the film as normal.

6. Both the motor and the winder are configured to stop operating when the exposure counter reaches 36. If there are more frames left in the film, you can continue to take pictures by using the manual wind lever.

I was able to download the manual for the Winder R, in French, here: https://www.summilux.net/documents/NoticeRearmeurR.pdf

Hope this helps future users.