earleygallery Posted October 10, 2011 Share #21  Posted October 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mugged in Montreal | leebicematheson.ca  The 1st Five  Just 2 stories from 1 page of many if you google mugged in Montreal - clearly a city to be avoided at all costs if you value your life!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ronan Posted October 10, 2011 Share #22 Â Posted October 10, 2011 Ronan you are rather paranoid, better to stay at home if that's your opinion. There's no crime in Canada I take it? Â Crime is everywhere, but i was never given a warning when wanting to fly anywhere except in Spain, Barcelona, and Italy Rome. Â Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 10, 2011 Share #23 Â Posted October 10, 2011 The criminals in Spain get off except for a fine which they out and steal more in order to pay the fine. This came from the cops. Â The real thing is this: Â There is a difference between "delito" and "falta". If the total value of the thing(s) stolen is less than 400 euros, there is no crime (delito). It is considered a "falta", and, it is true, the only penalty is a fine. I don't know if that changes when there are previous records. Wether the value is more than 400 euros, it is a "delito", and the procedure is all different. The criminals are brought before the judge, and the police have to open a case and fill a report. Â So, if your iPhone or wallet is stolen, tell the police the value is more than 400 euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted October 10, 2011 Share #24  Posted October 10, 2011 I agree with what many did say in the previous posts about Barcelona being as dangerous as other big european cities, not less not more, so I am not going to repeat it.  It would be stupid to negate the existence of robbery where crowds and crowds of tourists come together. The Sagrada Familia church is one of those places, of course. Everybody here knows it. Therefore, don't visit the Sagrada Familia surroundings, because there is a real risk in doing it. The subway entrances in that vicinity are also sort of dangerous. But 150 m farther away everything is ok.  Yes, the city authorities here accept that there is a problem with robbery. The professionals know the law, and behave accordingly.  But you won't find robbery where no tourists are found. For the professionals it's easier to work with them than with the locals.  After the olympic games in 1992 Barcelona became fashionable, and now we suffer under the pressure of too much visitors. Of course, in Venice it's much worse. And Paris and Rome are used to the tourists invassion, and handle it better, because they are bigger and are destinations since centuries, de facto Rome since 2000 years ago!  There are two Barcelonas, the one invaded by tourists, and the real one.  Cheers,  Manolo  PS The Sagrada Familia surroundings are not Barcelona. And Barcelona is only a part of the whole country. Taking the part for the whole is a mistake, you know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 11, 2011 Share #25  Posted October 11, 2011 I agree with what many did say in the previous posts about Barcelona being as dangerous as other big european cities, not less not more, so I am not going to repeat it.  It would be stupid to negate the existence of robbery where crowds and crowds of tourists come together. The Sagrada Familia church is one of those places, of course. Everybody here knows it. Therefore, don't visit the Sagrada Familia surroundings, because there is a real risk in doing it. The subway entrances in that vicinity are also sort of dangerous. But 150 m farther away everything is ok.  Yes, the city authorities here accept that there is a problem with robbery. The professionals know the law, and behave accordingly.  But you won't find robbery where no tourists are found. For the professionals it's easier to work with them than with the locals.  After the olympic games in 1992 Barcelona became fashionable, and now we suffer under the pressure of too much visitors. Of course, in Venice it's much worse. And Paris and Rome are used to the tourists invassion, and handle it better, because they are bigger and are destinations since centuries, de facto Rome since 2000 years ago!  There are two Barcelonas, the one invaded by tourists, and the real one.  Cheers,  Manolo  PS The Sagrada Familia surroundings are not Barcelona. And Barcelona is only a part of the whole country. Taking the part for the whole is a mistake, you know...  We were 400 meters from the Segrada Familia when the robbery happened and it was WELL over 400 Euros and the police have my report, but decided to delete the file from their records sometime after I signed it. As for the locals, there were at least 25 robberies in the police station that afternoon done to locals. Also in Figueres (Catalan) a hotel manager said her sister and mother were robbed on the street in Barcelona 2 weeks before me. There was even a local lady in the police station who had her baby carriage with baby formula in it and all else stolen just to get at her purse I assume. That exhausts my knowledge of locals robbed on the street in Barcelona from 2 years ago.  Before this happened we had some very pleasant evenings along the Rambla, dining in the center area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted October 11, 2011 Share #26 Â Posted October 11, 2011 As Manolo says, the problem exists because places like Barcelona and Rome have become an enormous magnet for literally masses of tourists. A mass of people pressed together, often with valuables in rucksacks out of sight on their backs, inevitably make an inviting target for thieves. Â As far as I'm concerned, it's a good thing if the nervous and timid stay away from places like Barcelona. Fewer crowds will make the town a nicer place to visit for the rest of us, and the thieves will move on to other locations in search of their prey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 11, 2011 Share #27  Posted October 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I live in London and have heard it can be dangerous especially brixton where I live. never go out anymore and just take pictures of the cat. Cat now looks at me as if I'm a little mad!!  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! CV12, M9 seriously though I have heard that the 'Ramblas' can be particularly bad. I have though walked nearly all areas of Rome as a location finder photographer (for a film director and in the late 80's early 90's) for months and never had a problem even in the more seedy parts of town. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! CV12, M9 seriously though I have heard that the 'Ramblas' can be particularly bad. I have though walked nearly all areas of Rome as a location finder photographer (for a film director and in the late 80's early 90's) for months and never had a problem even in the more seedy parts of town. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/163743-m7-stolen-in-spain/?do=findComment&comment=1814971'>More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 11, 2011 Share #28 Â Posted October 11, 2011 To add a story from the other day. I was in Somerset a few weeks ago walking the country lanes and fields taking photographs. I stopped for some water and a biscuit and while sitting on bale of straw in a field this small dog appears shortly followed by an old man on a mobility scooter (must have been a 4 wheel drive!!). Anyway he stops and we start to chat. He had a very strong somerset accent and was even for me a little hard to understand but he said he had been in one of the lanes a few days ago (and we are in the middle of nowhere) on his mobile phone when 4 men in a car stopped beside him and demanded he gave them the phone. they then threatened him and his dog if he turned round to take the number plate as they sped away. Now this was an old man on a mobility scooter in the middle of countryside. Paranoia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share #29 Â Posted October 11, 2011 And then even, if you stay at home all the time, even there is the possibility of something happening... Â And Ronan, I can partially understand your answer, some people are asking for it, but believe me, we were not. We are frequent travellers around the world and well aware of the risks in different countries. The problem is that not only the tourists/travellers are getting smarter, the burglars as well.... Â I just hope my M7 will be presented somewhere in a shop for repair or to sell it, I have mailed the serial number almost throughout Europe to dealers & distribution companies.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share #30 Â Posted October 11, 2011 And PS - thanks for all the tips for different websites to look out for !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallef Posted October 11, 2011 Share #31 Â Posted October 11, 2011 As I'm living in spain as well, I could tell you a quiet different story where I've stupidly forgotten my camera bag (M7+Lenses) in a Taxi. Â The next guest found it and the taxi driver (of course employeed and a bit mature) drove back to me and gave it back... Â I only could give him his cost (~30EUR, all I had) back heavily ashamed about his honest behavior. Â But let us all have our stereotypes... Â Saludos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 11, 2011 Share #32 Â Posted October 11, 2011 Hope you get it back. If you are after a great cheaper camera that offers the same and in some ways more than the M7 have a look at the Konica Hexar RF. Hexar RF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wouldn't be so painful on the pocket if stolen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted October 11, 2011 Share #33 Â Posted October 11, 2011 And then even, if you stay at home all the time, even there is the possibility of something happening...I just hope my M7 will be presented somewhere in a shop for repair or to sell it, I have mailed the serial number almost throughout Europe to dealers & distribution companies.. Â I think yours is a horrible story, and doesn't fall into the category of 'dumb tourist with wallet sticking out of backpack'. I don't know how I would react in the situation you found yourself in, now that I have a family to be concerned about. Â But the really important thing - and I mean this - the REALLY important thing, is that no-one got hurt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Posted October 11, 2011 Share #34  Posted October 11, 2011 Ingrid I wasn't referring to you  G/L with your M7.  And im laughing at the stereotype comment. It reminds me of the Americans I knew when I lived in the US. 1 comment about gender, race, or anything and it becomes stereotyping taboo  Sometimes it's simply the truth, live with it. Maybe motivate your government to clean the streets so tourist spending their hard earn money in your city doesn't get mugged AND then receive that pathetic help from the police.  This goes for every tourist pool city that has that kind of issue.  I'm just glad those low lives didn't adopt the stab, grab & run attitude! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share #35 Â Posted October 11, 2011 Indeed, Plasticman !! That is the thing that makes the loss bearable - we could just as easily have been hurt - or worse !! Material things can be replaced, people can't... Now it's only a camera, money and papers that went missing. Â And according to the police, the tendency in the region at the moment is, that the thieves don't refrain anymore from using heavy violence.. I think we were "lucky", in a strange way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share #36  Posted October 11, 2011 Indeed Ronan, I agree, stereotypes are sometimes simply the truth (why would they exist otherwise ?)  And you are oh so right.Let there be the problem of the stereotypical tourist - it would be way better if the government would do something to prevent criminality & the police would work in a more efficient way (that's not a comment on only Spain, btw, I think that is a véry universal comment...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted October 11, 2011 Share #37  Posted October 11, 2011 My wife got mugged in Brussels while she stopped in front of a red traffic light. Some kid smashed the side window of the car (the doors were locked) and took her handbag from the passenger seat. Everything was gone! Money, credit cards, bank cards, passport, mobile phone ...  We've been back since and nothing happened  Juergen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpalme Posted October 11, 2011 Share #38 Â Posted October 11, 2011 This thread got me thinking about anti-theft camera straps. I came across this one on youtube: CarrySafe 100: Anti-theft camera strap by Pacsafe - Demonstration - YouTube Anyway a few posts below someone mentions Barcelona .. the "pickpocket capital of the world". I've never been there but when a city starts to get a reputation one has to start to wonder what it is really up. I've heard Rome is pretty bad and I had zero problems there but still don't doubt that there is a petty crime problem I did see a lot of people that looked a little shady. The key is always be aware of your surroundings. I know when you get ganged up on by 8 people with guns that doesn't help much but stay out of dimly lit off the beaten path areas. I work in the airline business and many many people I've worked with get mugged in South America on a regular basis. Any time someone comes near you or speaks to you put your antennaes up. Some in broad daylight crowded shopping areas. Crime is Everywhere I know one Airline captain that woke up in the middle of the night to some noise. .. turned his light on and a guy was in his room crawling around. (Grenada) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 11, 2011 Share #39  Posted October 11, 2011 This thread got me thinking about anti-theft camera straps. I came across this one on youtube:CarrySafe 100: Anti-theft camera strap by Pacsafe - Demonstration - YouTube  No no no no no... Only buy one of these if you want to be choked with it or worse, dragged along behind a fleeing thief on a moped...  Regards,  Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted October 11, 2011 Share #40  Posted October 11, 2011 I live in London and have heard it can be dangerous especially brixton where I live. never go out anymore and just take pictures of the cat. Cat now looks at me as if I'm a little mad!! [ATTACH]282611[/ATTACH] CV12, M9 seriously though I have heard that the 'Ramblas' can be particularly bad. I have though walked nearly all areas of Rome as a location finder photographer (for a film director and in the late 80's early 90's) for months and never had a problem even in the more seedy parts of town.  ...love the shot of the cat, David. I wonder if s/he is hard-wired to believe in anything but stereotypes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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