Ecaton Posted February 13, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted February 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since about two weeks I am a very satisfied owner of a black M8 with the new 2.8/28 Elmarit. Yesterday I used it the first time with an uncoded 50mm cron from the seventies and were simply amazed about the sharpness, level of detail and bokeh this old lens would deliver (metering was spot on). I had not expected such noticable difference between the two lenses. Also, the 28mm is a bit to wide for me for a daily walk around lens. Has anybody a direct comparison between the new 28mm Elmarit and the new 35mm Cron, which I'm now considering to buy as the "body cap" for my M8 (expecting picture quality being as superb or even better than with the old 50mm Cron). The 50mm cron will serve me as a reasonable portrait lens. On the long end, is any body using a 90mm or is 75 the lenght to go for. Â Appreciate your input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 13, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted February 13, 2007 I dont see how the 50cron would be noticably sharper than the 28/2.8 Maybe somethjing with your 28 is wrong, it should be a very sharp lens. Both, 28 and 35cron are sharp and good lenses, so I would decide which FOV you want. Â Also, if you use 28,35,50 a lot a Tri-Elmar could be a good choice. However it doesnt show the microdetail as the primes do. Â I think with both, lux_asph and cron_asph 35mm , you wont go wrong. Also the pre-asph35cron is a very good lens, and its very compact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted February 13, 2007 I dont see how the 50cron would be noticably sharper than the 28/2.8Maybe somethjing with your 28 is wrong, it should be a very sharp lens. Both, 28 and 35cron are sharp and good lenses, so I would decide which FOV you want. Â In a direct comparison on screen, full size, there is a difference. Nothing against the Elmarit, so far I was happy with the results I got, including prints. But having done a side by side comparison the first time, I start to belive that the cron is in a different league (considering the price difference it better be) and was woundering how a 35mm new cron compares to the Elmarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted February 13, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted February 13, 2007 I dont see how the 50cron would be noticably sharper than the 28/2.8Maybe somethjing with your 28 is wrong, it should be a very sharp lens. Both, 28 and 35cron are sharp and good lenses, so I would decide which FOV you want. Â In a direct comparison on screen, full size, there is a difference. Nothing against the Elmarit, so far I was happy with the results I got, including prints. But having done a side by side comparison the first time, I start to belive that the cron is in a different league (considering the price difference it better be) and was woundering how a 35mm new cron compares to the Elmarit. Â Sorry if I disagree, but even without owning the new 28/2.8, I dont believe that there could be such a big difference regarding sharpness. Also both crons (35 and 50) are lower price than the 28/2.8. Maybe I am wrong, but I would decide based on FOV and speed of a lens in this range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 13, 2007 Share #5  Posted February 13, 2007 I own the 28/2.8 and find that it is awesomely sharp and contrasty. Erwin Puts claims that it gives up a little in wide open sharpness to the 28/2.0 but is more contrasty, and in fact the people on this forum who prefer the Summicron 28 to the Elmarit 28 seem to be saying that they like a little more softness to fill in the shadows. Here's an example of the contrast and flare-resistance that the Elmarit is capable of:  http://www.pbase.com/skirkp/image/73202809.jpg  So if you aren't getting something like this, there may be something wrong with your copy. Of are you comparing enlargements of the same object, rather than the same number of pixels?   scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.ceva Posted February 13, 2007 Share #6  Posted February 13, 2007 I dont see how the 50cron would be noticably sharper than the 28/2.8Maybe somethjing with your 28 is wrong, it should be a very sharp lens. Both, 28 and 35cron are sharp and good lenses, so I would decide which FOV you want.  In a direct comparison on screen, full size, there is a difference. Nothing against the Elmarit, so far I was happy with the results I got, including prints. But having done a side by side comparison the first time, I start to belive that the cron is in a different league (considering the price difference it better be) and was woundering how a 35mm new cron compares to the Elmarit.   In my opinion the problem perhaps is due to the way you make the comparison.  If You compare two pictures full size taken with differrent lens of different focal lentgh is obvious that the longer one will show more details.  Try to take two pictures to the same sobject at 100 times the focal lenght with the tow lenses than You can make a true comparison at full size on your monitor.  I say this only because it seams strange to me the results of Your camparison.  best regards  Lorenzo  LORENZO CEVA VALLA - fotografia digitale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted February 13, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted February 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with Scott and Thomas. I don't have a 28 Elmarit, but everything I've heard is that it is an extremely sharp lens. Â Maybe you have a problem with your lens. It seems unlikey that it would be a back or forward focusing problem with the M8 as the 28 DOF is greater than the 50's. Â Best, Â Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted February 13, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted February 13, 2007 I have the 28/2.8 and 50 cron and they are both very good lenses. The 50 cron is from the early 80s, and the 28 elmarit is late 90s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share #9  Posted February 13, 2007    Try to take two pictures to the same sobject at 100 times the focal lenght with the tow lenses than You can make a true comparison at full size on your monitor.  Lorenzo  LORENZO CEVA VALLA - fotografia digitale Lorenzo,  Thanks for this hint. I'll do this comparison tonight. Amusing, though, that everybody jumps on the Elmarit-Summicron comparison. By no means did I say the Elmarit results were not good, but maybe for my eye the cron shot (and it was only a one picture comparison) was simply more convincing.  Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joern Posted February 13, 2007 Share #10  Posted February 13, 2007 Martin,  you although asked for the long end lens. I have both the 2/75 asph. and the 2/90 asph.  The 75 is the keeper. I will sell the 90 because for me it is very hard to focus at close distances around 1 m to 3 m even with the magnifier 1.25. The 75 is a dream. Sharp, contrasty amd smooth bokeh. Closest distance is 0.7 m, the 90 is 1.0 m.  For longer lenses i use the Visoflex III with bellows and an Apo-Rodagon-N 105 mm lens fitted. Stunning and easy to focus. I will ad some old Telyt lenses (280 and 400) in the next month.  jørn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted February 15, 2007 Author Share #11  Posted February 15, 2007    Try to take two pictures to the same sobject at 100 times the focal lenght with the tow lenses than You can make a true comparison at full size on your monitor.  I say this only because it seams strange to me the results of Your camparison.  best regards  Lorenzo  LORENZO CEVA VALLA - fotografia digitale   Lorenzo,  Did as you suggested and am glad to confirm that you guys were right. The sharpness rendered by both lenses is about the same. In the focusing area, the level of detail produced by the Elmarit might even be a tad better. Definitely both lenses allow superb picture quality. Thanks for your input Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LichMD Posted February 15, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted February 15, 2007 Ecaton, part of your original post was about what the ideal walkaround lens is, to that I'll say that I've been very happy with the 28 cron as the body cap of my M8, A very versatile lens that has lent itself ably to street and candid photography. A little wide for portraiture, but the DOF gives you a differently drawn portrait than you would have with a narrower FOV. I've had some very nice results. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.ceva Posted February 15, 2007 Share #13  Posted February 15, 2007   Lorenzo,  Did as you suggested and am glad to confirm that you guys were right. The sharpness rendered by both lenses is about the same. In the focusing area, the level of detail produced by the Elmarit might even be a tad better. Definitely both lenses allow superb picture quality. Thanks for your input Regards   I am glad that my help was usefull for You! I was quiet sure that the problem was just there!  Best regards  Lorenzo  http://www.lorenzocevavalla.it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted February 15, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted February 15, 2007 I hardly use the 24mm Elmarit Asph until the M8 came along. Now, it's my most commonly used lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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