Studio58 Posted July 28, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I just picked up a new 24 2.8 from the States. I am thinking that since production of this unit was discontinued last year, supplies of new stock must now be running very low. I was not able to buy the lens new here in Australia and it is nowhere to be seen on most product lists internationally. I am feeling kind of lucky that I was able to get one. Yea I could of picked up the new 3.8 Elmar... pass on that thanks. Anyhow, given the state of play with the Elmarit, surely this is a lens that will not only hold its new price but will likely increase in value... ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TshawM8 Posted July 28, 2011 Share #2 Â Posted July 28, 2011 I do think it might go up in value, but ultimately not by much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbonthemoon Posted July 28, 2011 Share #3 Â Posted July 28, 2011 I believe production was discontinued only in order to release a updated model(Summarit?), which probably will be a bit better, but will cost around the same or even less in case of summarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted July 28, 2011 Share #4 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Personally I think the value will hold up/if not increase in the long run. But this can only be confirmed AFTER the "new replacement" (if there is one) comes out. Â It's hard to beat what is considered to be one of Leica's best M lenses. The 24 Elmarit is really something special. I had one a while ago, but eventually "upgraded" to the Summilux, but somethings just aren't the same. Given infinite amount of cash, I would get the Elmarit as well. But alas life is full of finite restrictions. Â In that respect, I believe the 24mm Elmarit will hold it's value among experienced users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted July 28, 2011 Share #5  Posted July 28, 2011 If the Summarit rumours will prove true then I feel it'll depreciate a bit, but otherwise I believe it'll keep its value and eventually slightly increase. IMHO there'll be a gap to be filled between the Elmar f3.8 and the Summilux f1.4. Not everyone wants to deal with too slow a lens nor feel opportune to drop the monies on the 'lux. Just my 2 €c.  Cheers, Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share #6  Posted July 29, 2011  IMHO there'll be a gap to be filled between the Elmar f3.8 and the Summilux f1.4. Not everyone wants to deal with too slow a lens nor feel opportune to drop the monies on the 'lux. Just my 2 €c.  Yea my point exactly. There are users that will definitely not be wanting to shoot at 3.8. Therefore it is likely that used 2.8's will be highly sought after and naturally that will push the price up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 29, 2011 Share #7 Â Posted July 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can I suggest, tongue in cheek, 'we' should focus the lens rather than the wallet? The 24mm/2.8 is a fantastic lens, if you use it. Otherwise it is useless! I have no idea or interest what mine is worth, other than a great tool when I need it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 29, 2011 Share #8 Â Posted July 29, 2011 There has been a 2.8/24 Elmarit Asph (with viewfinder) on offer in the second hand market of the forum for several weeks now. The price does not look exaggerated. I have seen more of the like at ebay going without an offer. The demand for this lens does not seem to be very high. I think this shows the reasons why Leica discontinued the lens. For it's photographic "value" you will find many descriptions in this forum - I'd look for older threads, where you don't have to fear that enthusiasm about this lens is instigated by the wish to sell it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share #9 Â Posted July 29, 2011 Can I suggest, tongue in cheek, 'we' should focus the lens rather than the wallet? The 24mm/2.8 is a fantastic lens, if you use it. Otherwise it is useless! I have no idea or interest what mine is worth, other than a great tool when I need it. Â Â There are more than one facet to any subject. It is purely an academic interest in the economics of the marque. Who has made any statements that in any way detract from image making ?. The thread addresses a specific issue which you seem to think (by your statement has no relevance). As a photographer I enjoy the entire spectrum of which it is comprised. The subject is of interest to myself and there are others who would also find that to be the case. I am not quite sure why you would choose to comment if the thread has no interest to you... Not that I mind or take offence. just an observation..... OK ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share #10 Â Posted July 29, 2011 There has been a 2.8/24 Elmarit Asph (with viewfinder) on offer in the second hand market of the forum for several weeks now. The price does not look exaggerated. I have seen more of the like at ebay going without an offer. The demand for this lens does not seem to be very high. I think this shows the reasons why Leica discontinued the lens. For it's photographic "value" you will find many descriptions in this forum - I'd look for older threads, where you don't have to fear that enthusiasm about this lens is instigated by the wish to sell it. Â Interesting observations for sure. It may be that there is a small number of fans of this focal length. You can be sure though that now that it is gone it will increase in popularity. That is just human nature... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 29, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted July 29, 2011 Strangeness - I know I posted in this thread, I appear to be subscribed to it, but now can't see my post...I'm sure it wasn't *that* controversial..... Â In fact, it mirrored the post above from UliWer - in the UK at least, this lens is far from in-demand, and I would say more so since the M9 turned out to have no 24mm framelines. It puts it into a bit of a niche, that of the external viewfinder, and I'd say that in many cases M users if they're going wide will go a little wider still, to say a 21mm. Â I'd be more than happy to see this lens 'do a Noctilux' (since I have one sitting on the shelf), but I don't see that happening - 24mm is just not that 'hot' a focal length, especially not now. If you really think it's an investment though, go for it and buy a few - there are many to be found languishing on the shelves of UK dealers....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 29, 2011 Share #12 Â Posted July 29, 2011 You can be sure though that now that it is gone it will increase in popularity.. Â This entirely depends on what comes after it - lower performing versions of a focal length rarely become sought after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share #13 Â Posted July 29, 2011 It puts it into a bit of a niche, that of the external viewfinder, and I'd say that in many cases M users if they're going wide will go a little wider still, to say a 21mm. . Â Interesting. I am hoping I will be able to use it without an external VF. I did debate the 21 but thought it was a little wide for my tastes. Anyhow, this type of conversation fuels my determination to make it work... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 30, 2011 Share #14 Â Posted July 30, 2011 Anyhow, this type of conversation fuels my determination to make it work... Â Why so? Your thread is about price and demand, not quality or usefulness to any given user. Â The 24 asph is known for superb results - that doesn't mean it's bound to become sought after, for the reasons noted. How much you like it is another question entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share #15 Â Posted July 30, 2011 The 24 asph is known for superb results - that doesn't mean it's bound to become sought after, for the reasons noted. How much you like it is another question entirely. Â Correct on all counts and how much I like it remains to be seen . Think I will love it though. Looking forward to posting some images. (the lens is currently in transit somewhere in the USA) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted July 30, 2011 Share #16 Â Posted July 30, 2011 This entirely depends on what comes after it - lower performing versions of a focal length rarely become sought after. Â I respectfully beg to differ. It might also depend from the number that were produced (and remain available on the 2nd hand market) and from the reputation either substantiated or not earned amongst the users. For instance, the Summilux 35 M3 v1 chromed or the Summicron 35 v1 8 lenses black version. Also the Summicron 35 v4 "King of bokeh" often sells for as much as the Asph. The Noctilux 50/1.2. Or the Summilux 75. Â Cheers, Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 31, 2011 Share #17 Â Posted July 31, 2011 For instance, the Summilux 35 M3 v1 chromed or the Summicron 35 v1 8 lenses black version. Also the Summicron 35 v4 "King of bokeh" often sells for as much as the Asph.The Noctilux 50/1.2. Or the Summilux 75. Â Bruno you make a valid point which I skipped over - mythic status, or collectibility will of course push up the price - but as a rule this is only, again, where demand exceeds supply and in the case of most of the lenses you mention that is down to rarity - again the lens we are talking about here is a bog-standard item which was available for a very long period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #18  Posted July 31, 2011 Bruno you make a valid point which I skipped over - mythic status, or collectibility will of course push up the price - but as a rule this is only, again, where demand exceeds supply and in the case of most of the lenses you mention that is down to rarity - again the lens we are talking about here is a bog-standard item which was available for a very long period.  Aye Sir,  I agree with you. It remains to be seen what will happen. The Elmarit 24 ASPH is a good lens per se and f2.8 makes a good compromise on this focal length. If - and that's a big if - it'll be superseded by a Summarit I believe it'll retain a fair price however lower than what it was paid for as new. I see similarities with the Elmarit M 90 vs the Summarit 90, with the first often preferred to the latter, but however available at a fair price in the same region of the v2/v3 pre-aspherical Summicron 90. But if not, it *might* become a sought after object - as it will the 21/2.8 IMHO. As said, between the 'lux 1.4 (and the bucks one has to pour down) and the Elmar f3.8 there's a gap to be filled. I say *might* because it's my understanding that 24mm is not very popular a focal length amongst M users.  Cheers, Bruno  P.S. I happen to have one and I enjoy it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander †Posted July 31, 2011 Share #19  Posted July 31, 2011 Bruno you make a valid point which I skipped over - mythic status, or collectibility will of course push up the price - but as a rule this is only, again, where demand exceeds supply and in the case of most of the lenses you mention that is down to rarity - again the lens we are talking about here is a bog-standard item which was available for a very long period.  Actually I think that the lens will gain in status and especially the later examples with Leica 6-bit coding will command a premium. I'm not so sure it was that popular a lens. Any new version or even a 24 summicron is bound to cost. A similar example is the 90mm elmarit-M, it has increased in status and price by at least 50% since I bought my example shortly after it was discontinued, many prefer it to the 90 summarit.  Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio58 Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share #20  Posted July 31, 2011 Actually I think that the lens will gain in status and especially the later examples with Leica 6-bit coding will command a premium. I'm not so sure it was that popular a lens. Any new version or even a 24 summicron is bound to cost. Jeff yea that is pretty much how I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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