jonoslack Posted July 22, 2011 Share #41 Posted July 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's unfortunate that the camera is made is Portugal which simply does not have the same track record of precision products as does Germany. Hi Mark seems like your posts are suffering from a little precision problem too: "camera is made is portugal" There don't seem to be too many QA problems with the M9 recently - so maybe this is a one off, and will be quickly sorted, and we all make mistakes occasionally . . . even you. all the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marknorton Posted July 23, 2011 Share #42 Posted July 23, 2011 Indeed I do make mistakes as we all do. The ability to say "Made in Germany" rests on where the last major manufacturing operation - or value-add - takes place and I think Leica are stretching a point with the M9. It's interesting that the top engraving of the M9-P simply refers to the company being in Germany, I do not know if it actually says "Made in Germany" elsewhere on the camera. By comparison, if you have seen the video on Leica lens production, they can truly claim that the lenses are made in Germany, even if the raw glass is sourced from companies like Hoya. Whereas Leica is clearly a lens manufacturer, you cannot say the same about their cameras where Leica is instead an assembly operation of parts made elsewhere. For that reason - and I believe the body castings are actually made and machined in Portugal - it makes some sense to assemble the cameras in a lower cost country. Portugal might have offered an advantage once but since joining (and been bailed out by) the EU, the advantages are less clear, especially when you think of the additional logistics required. Speaking personally, I would much prefer the cameras to be assembled in Germany in one continuous operation - such as you find in Nikon in Sendai - that this rather artifical divide to try to achieve lower cost while still being able to justify (cough, cough) the "Made in Germany" label. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 23, 2011 Share #43 Posted July 23, 2011 The Red Dot on my M9 was installed crooked. Thank you, all the excuse I need to justify my chrome M9-P which I hope is coming shortly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose_Salcedo Posted July 23, 2011 Share #44 Posted July 23, 2011 @Mark Norton Unfortunately, you have no idea about what you are talking about. I suggest that you focus on picture taking, and communicate with Leica Customer Service to have any technical problems diagnosed and resolved, just like you would do with any other manufacturer. Best regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 23, 2011 Share #45 Posted July 23, 2011 The M9-P does not have any inscription or label with "Made in ..." On the bottom plate it says "M9-P Leica Camera Germany". As Andy pointed out the engraving on the top plate is "Leica Camera AG Germany". This may have been an oversight on Leica's part. I notice that the D-Lux 5 has the same "Leica Camera Germany" on the large bottom plate label, but also a small "Made in Japan" label My X1 label reads "Leica Camera Made in Germany" Even Apple has their somewhat famous (or infamous) "Designed by Apple in California Assembled in China" notation on their products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted July 24, 2011 Share #46 Posted July 24, 2011 This may have been an oversight on Leica's part. I sincerely doubt there would be any oversight about something like the writing on the top plate. I think it follows the concept of the M3, M2 and M4, which did not have "Made in" on the top plate either, but rather just "Wetzlar, Germany". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 24, 2011 Share #47 Posted July 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I sincerely doubt there would be any oversight about something like the writing on the top plate. I think it follows the concept of the M3, M2 and M4, which did not have "Made in" on the top plate either, but rather just "Wetzlar, Germany". I never expected Leica to put "Made in..." on the top plate, but that is not the same as having a "Made in Portugal" or "Made in Germany" label on the bottom plate (like the X1). Unlike the M2-M4 today most products for export are required to have this label affixed somewhere on the item and on the packaging. When we ship a finished good product (as opposed to just components) from mainland China it must be clearly marked on the product and packaging as "Made in China" or customs (Chinese and the importing country) will reject it. However, I'm not a lawyer, and certainly not an expert in international trade laws, so Leica might not need to have a "Made in ..." reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 24, 2011 Share #48 Posted July 24, 2011 I sincerely doubt there would be any oversight about something like the writing on the top plate. I think it follows the concept of the M3, M2 and M4, which did not have "Made in" on the top plate either, but rather just "Wetzlar, Germany". I never expected Leica to put "Made in..." on the top plate, but that is not the same as having a "Made in Portugal" or "Made in Germany" label on the bottom plate (like the X1). Unlike the M2-M4 today most products for export are required to have this label affixed somewhere on the item and on the packaging. When we ship a finished good product (as opposed to just components) from mainland China it must be clearly marked on the product and packaging as "Made in China" or customs (Chinese and the importing country) will reject it. However, I'm not a lawyer, and certainly not an expert in international trade laws, so Leica might not need to have a "Made in ..." reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted July 26, 2011 Share #49 Posted July 26, 2011 I have been a Leica aficionado, nut, idiot or whatever for over 30 years. I was an R user for many years. I remember that a lot of my R stuff said manufactured in Portugal for Leica. I think this was both R4 bodies and some lens. Bottom line it was excellent quality and I used it for many years before I got out of film. Leica is Leica no matter where it is made. It can have quality issues regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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