earleygallery Posted July 11, 2011 Share #21 Posted July 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't forget there's a ball bearing inside the camera that moves about to tell the electronics which way up the camera is being held, that's probably what's 'loose'. Grease on the mount is there for a reason, you shouldn't have wiped it off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #22 Posted July 11, 2011 From the way the problem developed in this thread, it seems more likely a screw worked loose, as Thom suggested. That would indicate damage by vibration (light aircraft, motorcycle, etc) instead of hard impact.Or just plain bad luck I would suggest sending the camera to Solms anyway. This is not just a RF adjustment, which Will excels at, the camera needs to be checked, RF tightened and adjusted and the sensor calibration checked. Hi Jaap, I just received an e mail from Cathy saying i should come over to Zoetermeer. Yesterday afternoon i put the camera and lens in their boxes ready for shipment. I don't have a car at the moment so i have to rely on the NS Is going to take me about an hour from Amersfoort. I'll keep you posted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #23 Posted July 11, 2011 Say hello from me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #24 Posted July 11, 2011 Don't forget there's a ball bearing inside the camera that moves about to tell the electronics which way up the camera is being held, that's probably what's 'loose'. Grease on the mount is there for a reason, you shouldn't have wiped it off! Hmm if the ball bearing is flying around in a small box about 2 x 2 cm it makes sense I'd hear it clunking inside of the camera when i first inspected the camera at the previous owners home, the lens mount on the M8 had no grease on it. So i figured when i saw the grease on the mount after i took off my friends lens, I'd better clean it. Say hello from me! Haha i will Jaap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted July 11, 2011 Share #25 Posted July 11, 2011 Maybe you can also pass on my kind greetings and remind them of my 50/1.4 ASPH chrome that is languishing in their sick bay:o Customer info: Stephen Picken, Den Haag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #26 Posted July 11, 2011 Maybe you can also pass on my kind greetings and remind them of my 50/1.4 ASPH chrome that is languishing in their sick bay:o Customer info: Stephen Picken, Den Haag Sorry Stephen, i had already left the building when i read this :-( but i will do so when i'm picking up my camera! :-) Oh and Jaap: Greeting back from Wil and Cathy! The story: Wil said the two screws that hold together te rangefinder and such came loose due to manufactoring problems. When adjusting the rangefinder they probably forgot to tighten the screws and they came loose :-( The estimate price for these repairs and adjustments? Around € 200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #27 Posted July 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Relieved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #28 Posted July 11, 2011 Whoops, should be: the instead of te and manufacturing instead of manufactoring ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #29 Posted July 11, 2011 Relieved? Hi Jaap, although Wil has never encountered such a problem, he said i have no reason to worry about it. Shit happens he said ;-) and made a joke about the Leica engineers and the coffee lady distracting them, and that's why they forgot to tighten the screws ;-) haha. € 200,00 is a lot of money, but if it gets the job done AND i will have a nice, fully functioning and calibrated M8 and Elmarit M 28mm, i guess i don't have anything to complain about! Missing my new love for a week is kind of crappy though :-( but I'll manage ;-) Regards, Joël Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_newell Posted July 11, 2011 Share #30 Posted July 11, 2011 From the way the problem developed in this thread, it seems more likely a screw worked loose, as Thom suggested. That would indicate damage by vibration (light aircraft, motorcycle, etc) instead of hard impact.Or just plain bad luck I would suggest sending the camera to Solms anyway. This is not just a RF adjustment, which Will excels at, the camera needs to be checked, RF tightened and adjusted and the sensor calibration checked. I can confirm from personal experience that this happens. I had an M6 that was in perfect operating order when I got onto a plane on the east coast of the US and had a non-functional rangefinder when I got off on the west coast. This was in the 1980s, and I had taken the camera on board with me as hand/carry-on luggage. Whether the screws were properly tightened at the factory or not, I couldn't say. They did vibrate loose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted July 11, 2011 Share #31 Posted July 11, 2011 I've been doing some reading and it seems the M8 has been dropped or knocked before by it's previous owner. My reason saying this is that I've read about a blurry shutter speed and light meter indicator in the viewfinder. This is supposed to be as sharp as the focus patch. But when i tested the camera this was already blurry, but i just assumed this was due to a diopter problem and not an alignment problem.................. My M8 has developed a similar problem and it hasn't been dropped or knocked hard. I believe it's caused by either the LED display PCB or an associated light pipe becoming adrift/displaced. Other people have had a similar problem, I think the parts are held in place with adhesive. Leica have asked me to send it in for repair. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #32 Posted July 11, 2011 I can confirm from personal experience that this happens. I had an M6 that was in perfect operating order when I got onto a plane on the east coast of the US and had a non-functional rangefinder when I got off on the west coast. This was in the 1980s, and I had taken the camera on board with me as hand/carry-on luggage. Whether the screws were properly tightened at the factory or not, I couldn't say. They did vibrate loose. Hi John, Wil van Manen confirmed this too. He'll start repairing and re adjusting the camera and rangefinder this week!!! I can't wait for it to return!! I'll keep you posted! Regards, Joël My M8 has developed a similar problem and it hasn't been dropped or knocked hard. I believe it's caused by either the LED display PCB or an associated light pipe becoming adrift/displaced. Other people have had a similar problem, I think the parts are held in place with adhesive. Leica have asked me to send it in for repair. Bob. Hi Bob, :-( Wil said the rangefinder could easily be knocked out of alignment by sustained vibration. I hope you get your M8 back soon. Regards, Joël Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #33 Posted July 14, 2011 Wil van Manen gave me call about an hour ago asking me to sit down... The camera was already broken when i purchased it, the shutter speed and metering indicator was out of focus as i mentioned earlier, and Wil said this was due to a loose penta mirror/Prism. The mirror/prism came loose every time i focused, and eventually fell off and got stuck between some moving parts in the range finder mechanism causing in sudden death When sent to Solms, Wil said the complete range finder replacement costs € 862,00 ex VAT (just above € 1000,00 with VAT). Now I'm really feeling sick, the previous owner responded to my E mail that he would give me € 200,00 which i find unrealistic He sold me the M8 saying it was brand new and nothing was wrong in any way, and he didn't have any problems during the years he owned it. I don't have the money to get it repaired and i REALLY don't know what to do now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 14, 2011 Share #34 Posted July 14, 2011 Ouch - as said before - a knock or vibration and a previous owner who conveniently forgot to tell you - Obviously you have a claim against him, but now you need to press it. Seek legal advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
badmuts32 Posted July 14, 2011 Share #35 Posted July 14, 2011 Hello JK, I have sent you a PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted July 14, 2011 Share #36 Posted July 14, 2011 If/when you get round to sending to Solms it is worth making the point that unless there is clear evidence of misuse (dent in body or whatever) it is not unreasonable to expect the rangefinder to remain operational for more than the official guarantee period. This is embedded in EU law/consumer rights. See this article for instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_newell Posted July 14, 2011 Share #37 Posted July 14, 2011 Ouch - as said before - a knock or vibration and a previous owner who conveniently forgot to tell you - Obviously you have a claim against him, but now you need to press it. Seek legal advice. Or possibly - ??? - it was an innocent, smal,l jar in transit...it is, I think?, possible that the camera was perfectly functional when shipped, but had a latent defect that materialized between the time it was shipped and the time it arrived. Just thinking... Nevertheless, I think the problem is, legally and ethically, the seller's problem, not the buyer's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #38 Posted July 14, 2011 Thanks for all the reactions. Wil called me saying he could do the repairs himself. He has the confidence being able to repair the M8 and that it'll work for the full 100% He charges around 550 euro for those repairs. After considerable email correspondence with the previous owner, we came to an agreement. He is going to pay the entire amount. I explained some of the consumer right to him that even though this was a private sell, i need to get exactly what he specified in his emails to me. Namely a 100% new and fully functional M8. He eventually said i was right and promised me to pay the receipt. Now i just have to wait until Wil is done with the repairs. I'll post some news if something changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 14, 2011 Share #39 Posted July 14, 2011 Well- all's well that ends well... Fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #40 Posted July 14, 2011 I hope so. I know Wil is a capable guy and i hope that the repairs to the rangefinder are going to make it as good as new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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