Sgt93 Posted July 12, 2011 Share #21 Posted July 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Got the M8 last night and started playing with it. JsRockit was not exaggerating, the high ISO settings are REALLY bad. I don't have any shoots at work today, but I might try to stop by the park at lunch or something to get to know it better. Working from first impressions, the X1 wins hands down -- if only it had interchangeable lenses. Good info to know, thanks. If (when) I upgrade, I will just go the M9/M9-P route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Hi Sgt93, Take a look here Hesitantly moving from X1 to an M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
buranca Posted July 12, 2011 Share #22 Posted July 12, 2011 the high ISO settings are REALLY bad. What is the firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share #23 Posted July 12, 2011 What is the firmware? 2.014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted July 12, 2011 Share #24 Posted July 12, 2011 What software are you using for the DNGs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 12, 2011 Share #25 Posted July 12, 2011 Got the M8...JsRockit was not exaggerating, the high ISO settings are REALLY bad. .... JE, your 28 Summicron will save you one extreme ISO setting. Save for a Nocti and you can win two more lower ISO settings! But, I wonder. When you buy a new car, do you rush to the nearest highway and test the car's maximum speed? I doubt it. If you really have a need for shooting regularly in very low lighting levels, consider adding a low-cost small flash and use it off-camera, bouncing off a wall or ceiling or whatever. There are work-arounds if you can keep an open mind. It is a pity you can't keep the X1. As I have written many times, the X1 and M8/M9 are a perfect match and complement each other in so many ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share #26 Posted July 12, 2011 What software are you using for the DNGs? Adobe RAW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share #27 Posted July 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) JE, your 28 Summicron will save you one extreme ISO setting. Save for a Nocti and you can win two more lower ISO settings! But, I wonder. When you buy a new car, do you rush to the nearest highway and test the car's maximum speed? I doubt it. If you really have a need for shooting regularly in very low lighting levels, consider adding a low-cost small flash and use it off-camera, bouncing off a wall or ceiling or whatever. There are work-arounds if you can keep an open mind. It is a pity you can't keep the X1. As I have written many times, the X1 and M8/M9 are a perfect match and complement each other in so many ways. I have a Nokton 40mm f1.4, so that gives me two stops over the X1's f2.8. I rarely shot with the X1 over 800 iso anyway, so shooting at 640 with the M8 should still give me a slight advantage. I just had to see if 1250 and 2500 were really THAT bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 12, 2011 Share #28 Posted July 12, 2011 ...I just had to see if 1250 and 2500 were really THAT bad. In LR3 iso1250 is perfectly usable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBatemanJ Posted July 12, 2011 Share #29 Posted July 12, 2011 Here at #37, you will find nice information about noise issue. FAQ is for M9 but many of them will be useful for M8, too. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/130720-m9-faqs-frequently-asked-questions-answers-2.html SATOKI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share #30 Posted July 13, 2011 Ok, liking the M8 better, but you can tell that the X1 has three years of tech and refinement over it. Being used to the silent X1, the shutter cocking is sooo loud. Anyone know how much it costs to have that upgraded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted July 14, 2011 Share #31 Posted July 14, 2011 used to the silent X1, the shutter cocking is sooo loud. Anyone know how much it costs to have that upgraded? Don't bother...it isn't a huge difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted July 19, 2011 Share #32 Posted July 19, 2011 One of the reasons that I bought the X1 was that I cant buy any more accessories and lenses for it-apart from the viewfinder-which was essential for me anyway. Shooting wide open ala 40mm f1.4, well my problem is that I don't want to be limited by the fstop for low light shooting. I dont know of any lenses that are at their best wide open - the corners are always a compromise. So the X1 with okayish high iso seems a better compromise than a fast lens wide open. Have been dreaming about an M8 too but one look at the M9 in the shop put me off totally( for now)...... big, heavy, loud and soooo slow when it comes to focusing. The thing about cameras is that its a bit like life, stop comparing and coveting and all is well...Good luck with the M8! and if I had to buy one it would have to be silver as well...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted July 20, 2011 Share #33 Posted July 20, 2011 One of the reasons that I bought the X1 was that I cant buy any more accessories and lenses for it-apart from the viewfinder-which was essential for me anyway. Shooting wide open ala 40mm f1.4, well my problem is that I don't want to be limited by the fstop for low light shooting. I dont know of any lenses that are at their best wide open - the corners are always a compromise. So the X1 with okayish high iso seems a better compromise than a fast lens wide open. Have been dreaming about an M8 too but one look at the M9 in the shop put me off totally( for now)...... big, heavy, loud and soooo slow when it comes to focusing. The thing about cameras is that its a bit like life, stop comparing and coveting and all is well...Good luck with the M8! and if I had to buy one it would have to be silver as well...! Yours is a strange logic. If lenses are not at the best wide open, the same would apply to the X1 at f2.8. However, it seems you never experienced shooting a Summilux asph 50 or 35. They are "at the best" from wide open to..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted July 20, 2011 Share #34 Posted July 20, 2011 Your'e right, that's why I hardly ever shoot wide open and will probably up the iso before I do. I have never had the pleasure of using either of those lenses and probably never will - I just cant afford them or the camera to mount them. My shooting style is more around 5.6 to f11. Its just a pity to buy a camera and find that it doesn't quite live up to your expectations, but I suppose one can say that of all cameras... the trick is not to jump from camera to camera to system to system...any camera can be mastered and will give good results if you give it time. Personally I would not like my photographic style to be defined by equipment but rather by my vision......so if some one had to look at my images the last thing I would like them to comment about is' how nice the bokeh is' or that the image has that 'leica look' or how 'noiseless' the images are at 'high iso' ..... Good quality high iso is such a given these days that its a pity that one should have to resort to fast(massively expensive) lenses to work around it..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted July 20, 2011 Share #35 Posted July 20, 2011 My experience with fast 1.4 lenses has been that it is hard to focus fast wide open manually. Thats why I am sticking to Nikon 1.4s with AF and it has worked like a charm. Rest of the time I use the X1 coz it has AF. I would rate the AF in the X1 as a big plus vs the M8/9. Nevertheless I like leica glass but as far as trade-offs in losing AF at the moment I am not prepared for that. CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted July 20, 2011 Share #36 Posted July 20, 2011 CJ, agree 100%! I think the upshot of all this is that there really isn't one camera that can do it all....... Fortunately now there is so much more stuff available that one can have a toy for every situation..... the new Olympus looks grand and so does the X100 etc etc! Me I am trying hard to stick to what I've got and not give in to temptation..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon_dragon Posted August 5, 2011 Share #37 Posted August 5, 2011 I typically don't use anything over ASA 400, but that is a remnant of my film heritage. The M8 isn't the worlds greatest high speed camera, but it's a great camera. Try it with an IR filter (not an IR cut filter) such as the nearly black Leica IR or a very deep red. You may need a tripod but you'll be quite pleased with the result. It makes a great IR camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share #38 Posted August 8, 2011 I've ended up with the Voigtlander Nokton Classic 50mm f1.1. I was able to shoot a concert at f1.1, 1/250s, ISO 640 and capture shots that would have been nothing but blurs on the X1. Unfortunately, I still haven't bothered to pick up an infared filter, so all the performers wearing black look like they're wearing purple. Still have the X1 although I need to sell it soon. I've been using it as a wide angle since I haven't picked up a 28mm for the M8 yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted September 5, 2011 Share #39 Posted September 5, 2011 Je, did you end up buying a m8 yet- if not, nex 7 with adaptor and focus peeking may be an affordable answer for your m mount lenses. You sold the x1 for the same reason I did. X100 high iso was great, but it missed focus a lot more than I initially thought. I'm still without a good compact solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2011 Share #40 Posted September 5, 2011 One of the reasons that I bought the X1 was that I cant buy any more accessories and lenses for it-apart from the viewfinder-which was essential for me anyway. Shooting wide open ala 40mm f1.4, well my problem is that I don't want to be limited by the fstop for low light shooting. I dont know of any lenses that are at their best wide open - the corners are always a compromise. So the X1 with okayish high iso seems a better compromise than a fast lens wide open. Have been dreaming about an M8 too but one look at the M9 in the shop put me off totally( for now)...... big, heavy, loud and soooo slow when it comes to focusing. The thing about cameras is that its a bit like life, stop comparing and coveting and all is well...Good luck with the M8! and if I had to buy one it would have to be silver as well...! Hmm- try top class lenses like the Summilux 1.4 asph, which is actually at its best at wide apertures. I never used ND filters before, but on this lens I want to stay at 2.0 or 1.4 As for focussing slow? It is a learning curve, but I shoot birds in flight. I would suggest you are slow, not the camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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