Washington Posted June 4, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 4, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jappv (or anyone else) Where can I get the precision details for adapting a PIGRIFF-C for M-9 use? Got this: Novoflex system in excellent condition: a) Super rapid follow focus PIGRIFF-C 2) Canon FD Adapter 3) Nikon Adapter 4) Lense head Achromat 400 mm f 1:5,6 with front cap 5) Lense head Achromat 600 mm f 1:8,0 with front cap 6) Universal shoulder/chest pod PISTOCK-C Focus smooth, no dust on the lenses, only little signs of wear on the hood Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/153374-question-jaapv-or-anyone-else/?do=findComment&comment=1691593'>More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted June 4, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 4, 2011 Novoflex took out a 25 mm ring from the barrel and threaded it, so it could be restored to full length. Like an extension tube. The front side of the barrel, where it unscrews anyway. So basically you unscrew the front of the barrel, cut 25.0 mm off the barrel itself and rethread it on the inside. The resulting ring is threaded on the outside. It need not be very precise in length as the lens has a generous infinity adjustment facility The " knob" at the back is in fact a cover for the adjustment screw. You can afaik buy Adapter VISA from Novoflex still, as well as the cable release KABEL-C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted June 4, 2011 Thank you jaapv, Makes me pine-away for my old machine shop…. it’s a straight-foward job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 5, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 5, 2011 Actually, thinking this over, the ring they cut off must be 30.0 mm to allow for the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share #5 Posted June 5, 2011 Thanks jaapv, I do not as yet have the contraption in hand to see the fit…. but, if it’s a matter of not being totally sure if it’s a 25mm or 30mm removal I could play it safe by removing 25mm and running the i.d. threads 5+ mm deeper ….. then, if it needs to be shorter, it will be only a matter of facing the tube back. Sound ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2011 Share #6 Posted June 6, 2011 Well, the effective length of the "extension tube" that you will create is 25.0 mm, of that I am sure. However, to get this lengthening you need to cut the tube to 30,0 mm to be able to machine 5,0 mm of thread on the extension, if you want to take the trouble to do so. Short is not a problem for the system, too long is. I never used the spare piece even when using the lens on the Leica R, I just pulled out the macro slide at the back to the right length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted June 6, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) jappv, Thanks for the info and I will have it done as you suggest. It’s always better for me to actually see how things assemble… otherwise, I don’t know what I’m talking about. K-H uses a Leica repair fellow not too far from here for work on his long lenses and K-H is real happy with his work. Once I get the rig I will see if he can do the required machining. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_M Posted June 6, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 6, 2011 I've been watching this thread with great interest since I've acquired a few Novoflex follow-focus lenses and have been playing with adapting them to Visoflex use (with an M9). Some of the equipment I picked up uses the original Pigriff (with LTM 39mm attachment - what Novoflex calls LEI) and some uses Pigriff B. I've not managed to find the Novoflex adapters so I've been researching the specs and figuring out how to do my own. The early version Pigriff was easy to adapt to the visoflex. I just used a 30mm LTM extension tube and a LTM to M mount adapter. Works fine. The Pigriff B needs some of the same adapters as you are after here. They use the Novoflex bayonet mount. I haven't found the VISBA or the VISA adapter which would help me. The Pigriff B with bellows (some were supplied like that) is the same distance setup as the Pigriff C you discuss here. Anyway, to address your shorting length: The flange to focal plane distance for Canon is 44mm (the adapter you list here), for Leica R is 47mm, for Nikon 46.5mm and most other SLRs are in a similar range. For Visoflex, it is 68.8mm (M flange). Hence, you must shorten up the follow focus tube by about 22-25mm range. I could give you the exact number if I knew what the thickness of a VISA adapter was (flange to flange thickness). Since I do have a LEI-R adapter in hand (came with one of my units), I could calculate it for you. I've picked up more than one unit since some were very low in price and it is a rather inexpensive way to piece together the exact system I want to use. It is an interesting system. If anyone knows a source of VISA or VISBA adapter at a reasonable cost, let us know. I have seen a source for special order of VISA, but the price is probably higher than my having a machine shop make me one from scratch! RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2011 Share #9 Posted June 6, 2011 Order VISA with Novoflex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_M Posted June 7, 2011 Share #10 Posted June 7, 2011 Order VISA with Novoflex. The VISA adapter is not in there list of available adapters on their web site. Of course, it may still be available, but I haven't asked. I should send an email. I have seen it as special order from B&H and as email order from some photo store in Aachen. But the price is very high. I could probably custom make one for less.... BTW, Jaap, are you able to tell us the flange-to-flange distance on the VISA adapter? RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted June 7, 2011 jaapv, I looked at the Novaflex web-sight many times and could not find this adapter listed… I may have missed it somehow…. but, I wrote them an eMail of inquiry and never got a reply. How this turned up in B&H inventory I have no idea, but B&H does say it is a special order that take a few weeks to supply. I did receive an eMail from B&H that this has been shipped. Now, the question is: is it the right adapter? I will see in a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted June 7, 2011 RM, Yes this ‘’hobby’’ is expensive… for sure. Me, I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but my single vice is goofy photo gear. Now, this adapter from B&H was indeed about $160 with shipping….. and, it might not be the right one, I dunno, it has the same Novoflex part number… so, I am taking a chance: like betting on the ponies. Having been a machine shop maker of stuff…. I really doubt any machinist could produce this one-off item for less and stay in business. Good luck anyway! Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_M Posted June 7, 2011 Share #13 Posted June 7, 2011 Rip, Yes, I'll admit it is an emotional response to the price. When one finds several, used, complete Novoflex systems with lens etc for the 100-200 $US range, it is painful to think of spending $160 for an adapter. However, the overall final price is indeed reasonable. I am considering picking up an alternate adapter on the used market (they are in the sub $50 range) and modifying it to the M mount. Or, I might hang on and keep looking. What I really need is the VISBA adapter and I haven't seen that for sale anywhere yet. I'm fairly certain that the B&H VISA is what you need. I'm close to giving up and ordering that also. But even with that, I'd have to do several mod's of other parts. Keep us posted on what you receive and if it all works. I know custom machining is expensive, and I have done a lot of it for work (custom scientific instrumentation). I may find some short cuts to keep the price down if I go that route. RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted June 7, 2011 I understand, but it’s the way things work. I don’t blame you a bit. However, play it safe until I get mine… soon I think. If it is indeed exactly the same as the one I have on the ‘’Frankenrig’’ then all will be well and, at least, you will be spending your money for the right item. cheers, Rip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2011 Share #15 Posted June 7, 2011 jaapv,I looked at the Novaflex web-sight many times and could not find this adapter listed… I may have missed it somehow…. but, I wrote them an eMail of inquiry and never got a reply. How this turned up in B&H inventory I have no idea, but B&H does say it is a special order that take a few weeks to supply. I did receive an eMail from B&H that this has been shipped. Now, the question is: is it the right adapter? I will see in a bit I ordered two VISA two years ago with Novoflex and a KABEL-C half a year ago. Neither were on the site, but I must admit I used the phone instead of the mail. I don't recall the price but I remember finding the rings very expensive for a few pieces of light metal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted June 7, 2011 Hmmm. Well they are still making them then. The fact that B&H said it would be a special order should have tipped me off …. but I didn’t give it much thought at the time. Yes, eMails can be iffy….but I only tried once. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_M Posted June 7, 2011 Share #17 Posted June 7, 2011 I suspect that the direct email route to Novoflex from those of us in the USA may be iffy at best. Their site also lists their international distributors and directs one there for information. If one follows the link to the USA distributor and winds through to the local photo shops, it is useless information. They direct me to a great local shop which unfortunately went out of business 3 (or more) years ago. Makes me wonder how up to date these sites and links are..... Yes, phone calls are the fastest route. But, maybe not so convenient from 9 time zones away. At least the price of international phone calls is no longer unreasonable. However, the challenge of these searches is fun. RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share #18 Posted June 8, 2011 Well, jaapv said it was very expensive from Novoflex too. Perhaps a dealer gets a discount so, in the end, you pay about the same and they make some $. At any rate : hang in there and I will let you know what I get when I get it. My personal feeling is, unless you really luck-out on eBay or something: this is the price of fun, fun, fun, ’til Daddy takes the Novo away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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