Rick Posted May 19, 2011 Share #41 Â Posted May 19, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm starting to hear this a lot. "Ooh, is that the new X100?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Hi Rick, Take a look here I am revealed as a fraud.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jmkays Posted May 19, 2011 Share #42  Posted May 19, 2011 she has a valid point. photography is perceived by some as to not be a real art form. So if his was a fraudulent representation of a fraudulent art form, wouldn't that make OP more sincere in his efforts? lol  Sounds like a case of nouveau Bohemian clashing with nouveau riche. You really should post her mugshot here. Great story! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el.nino Posted May 19, 2011 Share #43 Â Posted May 19, 2011 The other day I was using my M9 to photograph the opening night of an exhibition at an art gallery. Â Bringing a camera to an art exhibition is like bringing a guitar to a rock concert! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share #44 Â Posted May 19, 2011 she has a valid point. photography is perceived by some as to not be a real art form. the propaganda can be very strong. no doubt this is her personal philosophy which is all part of her make up as an artist. she sees photography itself as a kind of fraud and in a modern world, digital photography, god forbid, even more so. you're cheating by looking at what you've captured rather than knowing. just look around at the vast majority of gaudy advertising photography where every inch is infinitely considered, post processed, satisfied perfection. there's absolutely no escaping it's endless grip. she would rightly question that perfection, otherwise she would not be an artist. if she is a painter, probably even more so. it would be vile to her. therefore it doesn't matter what kind of person you are, however rich, however nice or whichever kind of camera you use...you will still be a fraud and simply guilty by association because of what you adhere to. you are a scapegoat. Â This s a very interesting projection of ideas, but I don't think she saw all photography as a fraud. Otherwise, if she did, the type or nature of the camera would have made no difference to her. No, it was that in her eyes I could have been a legitimate artist, but wasn't, because of my fraudulent equipment! Â Also, I'm picking up quite a lot of antipathy towards "artists" in this thread (not this post, I must emphasise), accusing them of many of the things we resent them accusing us of. Â Ironic is not the correct word for this, but I can't think what is at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted May 19, 2011 Share #45 Â Posted May 19, 2011 Bringing a camera to an art exhibition is like bringing a guitar to a rock concert! Â True, but what if you were out photographing and then went to the opening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 19, 2011 Share #46 Â Posted May 19, 2011 Bringing a camera to an art exhibition is like bringing a guitar to a rock concert! Â Taking an M6 to a exhibition never put me in trouble even with Tri-x But I understand that film is " hot" with the artists nowadays? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted May 19, 2011 Share #47 Â Posted May 19, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) There always exists a sort of pseudo artist that has to be different or counter-cultural. They don't want to conform or have anything to do with the status quo. They think of themselves as individuals and think of themselves as different and unique from the rest. Unfortunately, that is simplistic and that is just another uniform to wear. Unique comes from a solitary point and enlightens. It does not come from a derivative of ideas that create the solitary image they want. Â Digital is avant garde. It is cutting edge. No uniform. It competes. Nothing wrong with film. I like it. But, it is not my uniform. By the way, film is not real and digital is fraudulent. Doesn't have anything to do with that type of construct. It is all about what the individual does with their medium, all of us, you and me. That is what defines an artist for me. Dare I say, she is the fraudulent one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 19, 2011 Share #48  Posted May 19, 2011 There always exists a sort of pseudo artist that has to be different or counter-cultural. They don't want to conform or have anything to do with the status quo. They think of themselves as individuals and think of themselves as different and unique from the rest. Unfortunately, that is simplistic and that is just another uniform to wear. Unique comes from a solitary point and enlightens. It does not come from a derivative of ideas that create the solitary image they want. Digital is avant garde. It is cutting edge. No uniform. It competes. Nothing wrong with film. I like it. But, it is not my uniform. By the way, film is not real and digital is fraudulent. Doesn't have anything to do with that type of construct. It is all about what the individual does with their medium, all of us, you and me. That is what defines an artist for me. Dare I say, she is the fraudulent one.  reminds me of Monty Pyton's Life of Brian, balcony scene:  Brian:" Go away, you don't have to follow me. You're all individuals! " People: " YES WE'RE ALL INDiVIDUALS" one person in the crowd: " I'm not " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted May 19, 2011 Share #49 Â Posted May 19, 2011 reminds me of Monty Pyton's Life of Brian, balcony scene:Â Brian:" Go away, you don't have to follow me. You're all individuals! " People: " YES WE'RE ALL INDiVIDUALS" one person in the crowd: " I'm not " Â I remember that, too funny!!! :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 19, 2011 Share #50 Â Posted May 19, 2011 That crayzzzeeeeeeee chick sounds like an egocentric nutcase. I mean, really, she thinks you are tyring to fool her. She expects you to be shooting with a film camera....and what, does she get to decide which choice of tools confer artistic credibility. Â Whaaaaaat?! Â I think I would have laughed so hard I would have had to be forcibly removed. Â Honestly, you don't get that kind of reaction in my world. Scientists prefer to discuss specifications, you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 19, 2011 Share #51  Posted May 19, 2011 Oooh Pico ... i do hope that you and your camera are all mended now , i think Peters  just really happy about owning an M9 and wants to talk about it ... (i would to) ... no  harm in that is there. I guess if your a pro and its a tool then things are a bit different.  Brian  You are probably right. No offense intended to Peter. I come up with the dumbest things sometimes. Just today I was chastised here for asking a stupid question.  We are okay, Peter. I hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 19, 2011 Share #52 Â Posted May 19, 2011 ... talented ceramicist who makes the most fantastic huge vases that stand on the floor... Â I trust you did not ask her whether her vases were genuinely old objects? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted May 19, 2011 Share #53 Â Posted May 19, 2011 I trust you did not ask her whether her vases were genuinely old objects? Â Pop, you can be so crass. Never ask a woman about the age of her, um... urn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share #54  Posted May 19, 2011 You are probably right. No offense intended to Peter. I come up with the dumbest things sometimes. Just today I was chastised here for asking a stupid question. We are okay, Peter. I hope.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antistatic Posted May 19, 2011 Share #55 Â Posted May 19, 2011 The only strangers who have commented on my M9 were both blokes in their early 20s. One working in a cafe and one in a bookshop. Their both knew exactly what it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anasebi Posted May 20, 2011 Share #56 Â Posted May 20, 2011 Camera enthusist don't really exist here; as people with free time in California's Bay Area are typically called 'homeless'. Here protogs buy either Canon or Nikon and don't know of the others existence, let alone any other type of camera. The highligh of my camera related chats here was when I found someone who works with Hasselblads and other medium formats. Â Not that it bothers me though, having my equipment eyed never made me feel at ease and I rarely have that happen here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesk8752 Posted May 20, 2011 Share #57 Â Posted May 20, 2011 (snip)Â Also, I'm picking up quite a lot of antipathy towards "artists" in this thread (not this post, I must emphasise), accusing them of many of the things we resent them accusing us of. Â Ironic is not the correct word for this, but I can't think what is at the moment. Â Perhaps the word you are looking for is "hypocritical"... Â Regards, Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted May 20, 2011 Share #58 Â Posted May 20, 2011 Oh Art people are my favorite. And I am not talking about artists, I am talking about "art people." Was she wearing ugly clothes and glasses trying to hide that she is actually pretty? sounds like she was definitely trying to hide that she could possibly be nice to a man she just met. Â Btw. had you told her how much the M9 cost, she would have looked down upon you even more. Art has to be shot on a Holga ..., or on a $100 box of ten Polaroids from the Impossible Project that your heart surgeon daddy ordered for her for art school. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted May 23, 2011 Share #59 Â Posted May 23, 2011 You can't win the fight against ignorance no matter how hard you try, and no matter how much you learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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