jonoslack Posted June 21, 2011 Share #441 Posted June 21, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) when is the event? Today (21st) - don't know what time though. Oops - Andy got in first! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bruniroquai Posted June 21, 2011 Share #442 Posted June 21, 2011 Thanks both, by the way Jono, amazing M9 book. Andy the same, what a book!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 21, 2011 Share #443 Posted June 21, 2011 I suspect what you say is exactly the two issues at hand. Kodak has to have given Leica fits ... cracked sensor filters and all that. And the technology juggernaut is probably going to inevitably force going to a CMOS sensor to provide the techno-addicted what they want, and thus sell more M digital cameras to a broader audience. Which is why I mentioned that this M9P may be the last chance to get a keeper CCD M9 with a chrome finish and harder LCD cover to weather the initial venture into a M CMOS ... which introduces a world of technology that will change so fast that the next M digital will be "out-dated" before it even arrives. For me, that's okay with my Sony's @ $2,500., but an outdated CMOS M @ $7,000.+ a pop is another matter. It all makes you get real about what you have in hand as opposed to what might be. -Marc I cannot agree with that irrational and uninformed phobia against CMOS sensors. I seriously doubt Leica will be able to offer a 24x36mm CMOS based camera in 2011 or 2012. Anyway, Leica (Stefan Daniel) has said they will not renounce to the M classic rangefinder camera, so the most likely evolution will be a M9-2 camera with a better CCD from Kodak and a better processor. Any new proposal regarding the M system will be placed on a different and separate "branch" of products, but the classical opto-mechanical classic camera will be preserved if there is a demand (and it will be a demand for it). Be confident on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruniroquai Posted June 21, 2011 Share #444 Posted June 21, 2011 I cannot agree with that irrational and uninformed phobia against CMOS sensors. I seriously doubt Leica will be able to offer a 24x36mm CMOS based camera in 2011 or 2012. Anyway, Leica (Stefan Daniel) has said they will not renounce to the M classic rangefinder camera, so the most likely evolution will be a M9-2 camera with a better CCD from Kodak and a better processor. Any new proposal regarding the M system will be placed on a different and separate "branch" of products, but the classical opto-mechanical classic camera will be preserved if there is a demand (and it will be a demand for it). Be confident on that. Completly agree with mister Osuna. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted June 21, 2011 Share #445 Posted June 21, 2011 I cannot agree with that irrational and uninformed phobia against CMOS sensors. I seriously doubt Leica will be able to offer a 24x36mm CMOS based camera in 2011 or 2012. Anyway, Leica (Stefan Daniel) has said they will not renounce to the M classic rangefinder camera, so the most likely evolution will be a M9-2 camera with a better CCD from Kodak and a better processor. Any new proposal regarding the M system will be placed on a different and separate "branch" of products, but the classical opto-mechanical classic camera will be preserved if there is a demand (and it will be a demand for it). Be confident on that. Uninformed? My eye is the source of information not words. Until CMOS improves a lot, I'll stick with CCD when and where I can until forced to do otherwise (which is most likely inevitable, because of the production efficiencies, added technological do-dads, and because most sensor makers are concentrating on CMOS R&D for the mass-market). If I was phobic regarding CMOS, I wouldn't have owned all the Canon, Sony and Nikon gear I've used ... like just about all of them. As I said in another thread, it is a curious thing that the very best production digital capture machines on the planet are all ... CCD based cameras. Every single one of them. Even the very latest greatest of them ... the just released Phase One IQs. At $50,000. retail, Phase could put anything they want into their backs and pay for it pretty quickly. They didn't. Either did Leaf, Sinar, Hasselblad, Pentax or Leica with the S2 which could have easily been CMOS. You seriously doubt Leica can offer a CMOS in 2012 ... I am seriously sure they will. We won't have all that long to wait to see which one of us is "uninformed" : -) -Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 21, 2011 Share #446 Posted June 21, 2011 UAs I said in another thread, it is a curious thing that the very best production digital capture machines on the planet are all ... CCD based cameras. Every single one of them. The M is a reportage camera. There is a difference in applications and sensor size, isn't? Do you know of many 645 format CMOS sensors to choose from? Leica already offers a CMOS based camera, the X1. I said a 24x36mm CMOS camera... ready for production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted June 21, 2011 Share #447 Posted June 21, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) it would be interesting, if at all possible, to have some sort of electronic signal that you are focused correctly on the subject. you aim, you focus, and when the squares are properly aligned they turn yellow ... something like that ... would help in the dark or with long lenses ... but that's probably an m12 release. .............:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 21, 2011 Share #448 Posted June 21, 2011 It is fun to speculate on what a M10 might have (e.g., CCD vs CMOS), and maybe I am just being simplistic, but why wouldn't the natural next step for Leica be a RF not radically different than M9 but with technology migrated from the S2? A CCD sensor with large photosites (does NOT need to be more than the current 18MP) and better low light performance and an adapted Maestro processor including higher resolution LCD screen and more user options (programmable buttons?). Why would Leica reinvent when adaptation has always been its strength? Don't they always move incrementally on the M? Anything more radical including autofocus or other doodads would be a different system, not M (see X1 and S2 for example). Am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 21, 2011 Share #449 Posted June 21, 2011 010-703 Leica M9-P Black Paint $7,995.00 010-716 Leica M9-P Silver Chrome $7,995.00 • • • • Display cover glass made of Sapphire Vulcanite leatherette with either a black paint top cover or a silver chrome top cover Pure Leica look without Leica logo and M9 lettering on the front side Classical “Leica” engraving on the top cover The new features of the Leica M9-P elevate the M9 further into the camera of choice as a professional tool. The new look of the Leica M9-P harks on Leica’s classic look of being unobtrusive in appearance without the Leica logo. The display cover glass is made of Sapphire which is the second hardest material after diamond. As such the display cover is extremely scratch resistant and unbreakable. Leica is the only camera manufacturer that offers a sapphire glass as a camera display protection. The vulcanite leatherette offers good resistivity and further provides a very good grip to the camera. The Leica M9-P is available with a silver chrome top cover or with a black paint top cover. All other technical information on the Leica M9-P is similar to the Leica M9. Scope of Delivery: Camera, body cap, carrying strap, USB cable, Battery, Battery charger for 100-240 V with 2 power cords and charger adapter. Also included are the license code for download of Adboe Photoshop Lightroom, Instructions German/English and Warranty Card (Warranty period 2 years.). The Leica M9-P will be available from July, 2011 in North America. Brochures for the Leica M9-P will be available in July. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 21, 2011 Share #450 Posted June 21, 2011 Yawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 21, 2011 Share #451 Posted June 21, 2011 Am I missing something? All the people clamouring for “clean ISO 6400” perhaps? I don’t know what Leica’s plans are and how important features you could only get from a CMOS sensor are to them, but one thing seems obvious to me: there isn’t much going in CCD technology; all the exciting new stuff is happening in the CMOS camp. So there will come a time when a CCD just isn’t viable anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 21, 2011 Share #452 Posted June 21, 2011 "New features." <chuckle> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted June 21, 2011 Share #453 Posted June 21, 2011 I am sooooo happy, I just bought a regular M9 … and a bit disappointed, Leica couldn't come up with a meaningful technical update, rather a half iteration of what has been done with the M8.2 :-( It indeed is a reassurance to all expensive digital Leica buyers, that their cameras will not be technologically obsolete in features due to a quick product cycle as with most other digital camera makers (as proven in second hand prices still today). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 21, 2011 Share #454 Posted June 21, 2011 A thousand dollars for a piece of glass and a different color paint. I'm glad I've got that Giotto Schott glass thingy for $21. They can keep the other color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mklnz Posted June 21, 2011 Share #455 Posted June 21, 2011 I'm more interested in the lens... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted June 21, 2011 Share #456 Posted June 21, 2011 Does anyone know if the M9 is upgradeable to the M9-P as the M8 was to the M8.2? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 21, 2011 Share #457 Posted June 21, 2011 Leica M9-P camera abandons famous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 21, 2011 Share #458 Posted June 21, 2011 Leica needs to keep working on their M9 firmware to get the bugs out to avoid problems like this http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/187415-m9-1-162-firmware-bug-just.html I just ordered 4 older memory cards recommended in Leica Camera AG - Downloads M9 FAQ_en.pdf http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/file/download.php?filename=file_4784.pdf Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 21, 2011 Share #459 Posted June 21, 2011 Well, I'm glad that's out of the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 21, 2011 Share #460 Posted June 21, 2011 All the people clamouring for “clean ISO 6400” perhaps? I don’t know what Leica’s plans are and how important features you could only get from a CMOS sensor are to them, but one thing seems obvious to me: there isn’t much going in CCD technology; all the exciting new stuff is happening in the CMOS camp. So there will come a time when a CCD just isn’t viable anymore. Except at the pro cinema and medium format photography level, which are mostly, IIRC, powered by CCD chips, no? Even Sony builds them at that price level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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