larsv Posted June 14, 2011 Share #381 Posted June 14, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has nobody noticed that the world ended about 3 weeks ago? Just printed an A3+ . Don't think anything is wrong with my m9. Neither with my D700. I seem to use them for different purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest raoul1 Posted June 14, 2011 Share #382 Posted June 14, 2011 Hmm. Leaving aside any attempt at basic politeness, do I understand your point that you use the LCD to check your focus? Is that your point? Over on another thread, you also said this about Thorsten Overgaard's M9 review: I must confess, I find your points in various threads hard to pin down, apart from an apparent desire to be controversial, if not offensive. There are many photographers on this forum who don't want live view, who don't chimp, and don't use the LCD for checking focus. I appreciate you're making your points "for the last time" - I only hope that it is. Yes, Leica needs to be competitive, and you might be correct that higher ISO performance will make it more competitive. I agree that the M9 is not cast in stone. In fact, I would probably agree with a lot of what you post, if you went about it in a more agreeable way. Cheers John About politeness: I'm reading this forum for a couple of years now, and it took my attention that when someone begins to write about the shortcomings of the M a lot of reactions are very annoying. Even when the writer is a professional who works also with Leica, he is treated as if he is a beginner, or his arguments are misunderstood on purpose, or just ignored. What do you think? Every day we have to make several items, in different light conditions. Year after year. We read a lot of books on photography, took courses, and above all got a lot of experience, testing cameras, comparing them to others, and so on and on. It is our profession. What are the answers a lot of the time?: you should expose better, you should learn something on postprocessing, I do not need high ISO, I do not need a better LCD screen, or a faster buffer. There are famous photo's made with Leica's. We just have to judge its capacities, and compare them too cameras of other trade marks, keeping in mind that a lot of people in these days do need things as written above, and most certainly a lot of professionals.( What is possible will be asked.) For a firm it is better if it has critical users than people who justify almost everything because they have a camera of a famous trade mark. Well, it's just a tool. I'm sorry if I wrote a little too offensive in earlier comments, but from time to time I get tired of what I explained in my first sentences here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 14, 2011 Share #383 Posted June 14, 2011 As an aside, what pisses many people off - me included - is the tendency of some people to write as if they represent everyone. "We need live-view" is not the same as "I want live view". People feel disenfranchised and disconnected by such sweeping generalisations and often react negatively as a result. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsv Posted June 14, 2011 Share #384 Posted June 14, 2011 People feel, or I feel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsv Posted June 14, 2011 Share #385 Posted June 14, 2011 I feel that a number of threads are derailed as individuals respond to the way others write rather than to the content. Or, alternatively, frequently individuals pose opinions as facts. And then, some individuals get off once a shortcoming/improvement is suggested to anything Leica. At the same time, I also benefit from the vast knowledge and experience incorporated in the participants of the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 14, 2011 Share #386 Posted June 14, 2011 People feel, or I feel? Let's see, shall we? Feel free to disagree. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 15, 2011 Share #387 Posted June 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) As soon as an AF Leica comes out, you'll all pay any price for one. Isn't that the S2? I'm sorry if I wrote a little too offensive in earlier comments, but from time to time I get tired of what I explained in my first sentences here. I understand. Any written exchange, especially on the internet, has the problem of seeing only what is written and then often out of context. You may feel strongly about better high ISO, better LCD and buffering, and you may well be right - they may be addressed. But for me, they are less important than composition, framing, exposure and bringing out the strengths of my camera and my lenses. The issue for me is that you make assumptions my skill levels, my experience, and how I use my equipment. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted June 15, 2011 Share #388 Posted June 15, 2011 Can someone please waken M. Valdemar from his trance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 15, 2011 Share #389 Posted June 15, 2011 Has nobody noticed that the world ended about 3 weeks ago? Just printed an A3+ . Don't think anything is wrong with my m9. Neither with my D700. I seem to use them for different purposes. We are on residual power for now... Can someone please waken M. Valdemar from his trance? see above Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 16, 2011 Share #390 Posted June 16, 2011 It is not fallacious reasoning when you believe that anything is possible. In any case, I don't believe that any camera designers or engineers have told me that the idea is impossible. The only people who have said that are a bunch of self professed "experts" on a forum. There has been opposition to every innovation in the history of man, with the possible exception of the sword. -- Benjamin Dana When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. -- Arthur C. Clarke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted June 16, 2011 Share #391 Posted June 16, 2011 Time to try to get this thread back on topic. With less than a week to go until the official launch of the M9-P, here is the latest ‘leak’ – another photo of the hammertone version. tokyo camera style - Leica Shop, Ginza Leica Hammertone M9P Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 16, 2011 Share #392 Posted June 16, 2011 "Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things." "I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." - Alice in Wonderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 16, 2011 Share #393 Posted June 16, 2011 I like hammertone paint, but maybe only on machinery. Not cameras. Tough finish though, generally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrovner Posted June 16, 2011 Share #394 Posted June 16, 2011 Having now read about 100 messages arguing over whether it is possible, or even desirable, to improve upon the M9's design, I'm reminded of the book "The Little Prince," which teaches that we grow to love the things we waste our time on. Before I bought my M9, and had talked myself into such an expensive purchase, all I could see were the limitations of the camera in comparison to the features of cheaper DSLRs. Then I bought it, and proceeded to lavish it with several hundred hours of my time to learn how to focus, how to choose the right exposure, how to benefit from Lightroom, and on and on. I'm truly delighted by the images that have resulted from all of this effort. But the point is that while I was investing so many hours of my time, I grew to love the M9. And no one likes to hear criticism of their loved ones. It's a bit irrational, but there you have it. I wonder if others feel the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Verrips Posted June 16, 2011 Share #395 Posted June 16, 2011 Having now read about 100 messages arguing over whether it is possible, or even desirable, to improve upon the M9's design, I'm reminded of the book "The Little Prince," which teaches that we grow to love the things we waste our time on. Before I bought my M9, and had talked myself into such an expensive purchase, all I could see were the limitations of the camera in comparison to the features of cheaper DSLRs. Then I bought it, and proceeded to lavish it with several hundred hours of my time to learn how to focus, how to choose the right exposure, how to benefit from Lightroom, and on and on. I'm truly delighted by the images that have resulted from all of this effort. But the point is that while I was investing so many hours of my time, I grew to love the M9. And no one likes to hear criticism of their loved ones. It's a bit irrational, but there you have it. I wonder if others feel the same. I feel the same and i'm in love with my M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 16, 2011 Share #396 Posted June 16, 2011 Hi It is ok for you M9 owners, I'll be in a street market on Saturday and a heavy hand will land on my shoulder, noo Ive annoyed some one taking their photo, and they are going to hit me... No it will be another M9 user who wants to read the top plate script on my M2... The M9 users dont try the rangefnder or the wind lever they are perverts who just read the top plate script like it was 'Lady Chatterlys lover' Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted June 17, 2011 Share #397 Posted June 17, 2011 It is ok for you M9 owners, I'll be in a street market on Saturday and a heavy hand will land on my shoulder, noo Ive annoyed some one taking their photo, and they are going to hit me... No it will be another M9 user who wants to read the top plate script on my M2. The beauties of silver chrome and Leitz/Leica engraving are best savoured in the calm of your study, surrounded by books of Leica lore, and with a glass of fine brandy in your hand. My experience of compulsive top-plate readers has been that these are Leicabores. They are not really interested in your M2. What they really want to do is to boast to you about their latest ASPH purchase(s). The best countermeasure is to switch lenses as they approach, so that they suddenly realise that your camera is fitted with a lens of which they have no experience. A 73mm f1.9 Hektor or an 85mm f1.5 Summarex are ideal candidates, but I have enjoyed some success with the 5cm f1.4 Nikkor, a wartime 5cm f2 Sonnar, or even the mysterious ‘no-name’ 58mm f1.5 Leica Sonnar. At this point, the Leicabore will lose all interest in your engraved top plate and will insist on being allowed to try out this strange lens. Wait until he has filled up the buffer of the M8 or M9 camera and is waiting impatiently for the first image to display. Neatly detach your lens from his camera, and beat a hasty retreat. The demented creature will eventually rush off home for a few hours of blissful pixel peeping in the hopes of proving the utter superiority of modern lenses over whatever curious relic of the optical past you exposed him to. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 17, 2011 Share #398 Posted June 17, 2011 The beauties of silver chrome and Leitz/Leica engraving are best savoured in the calm of your study, surrounded by books of Leica lore, and with a glass of fine brandy in your hand. My experience of compulsive top-plate readers has been that these are Leicabores. They are not really interested in your M2. What they really want to do is to boast to you about their latest ASPH purchase(s). The best countermeasure is to switch lenses as they approach, so that they suddenly realise that your camera is fitted with a lens of which they have no experience. A 73mm f1.9 Hektor or an 85mm f1.5 Summarex are ideal candidates, but I have enjoyed some success with the 5cm f1.4 Nikkor, a wartime 5cm f2 Sonnar, or even the mysterious ‘no-name’ 58mm f1.5 Leica Sonnar. At this point, the Leicabore will lose all interest in your engraved top plate and will insist on being allowed to try out this strange lens. Wait until he has filled up the buffer of the M8 or M9 camera and is waiting impatiently for the first image to display. Neatly detach your lens from his camera, and beat a hasty retreat. The demented creature will eventually rush off home for a few hours of blissful pixel peeping in the hopes of proving the utter superiority of modern lenses over whatever curious relic of the optical past you exposed him to. Best regards, Doug Hi Doug They have not shown any interest on my Nikkor HC, or CV f/2.5 only the script, they do discuss the possible costs of an ALC M9 or replacement top plate,... The Nikkor is a nice lens on the M9. To be fair only been stopped three times so far. But given that M9 are not that high volume yet, the M9 people sheem to be shooters rather than hoarders. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 17, 2011 Share #399 Posted June 17, 2011 The beauties of silver chrome and Leitz/Leica engraving are best savoured in the calm of your study, surrounded by books of Leica lore, and with a glass of fine brandy in your hand. My experience of compulsive top-plate readers has been that these are Leicabores. They are not really interested in your M2. What they really want to do is to boast to you about their latest ASPH purchase(s). The best countermeasure is to switch lenses as they approach, so that they suddenly realise that your camera is fitted with a lens of which they have no experience. A 73mm f1.9 Hektor or an 85mm f1.5 Summarex are ideal candidates, but I have enjoyed some success with the 5cm f1.4 Nikkor, a wartime 5cm f2 Sonnar, or even the mysterious ‘no-name’ 58mm f1.5 Leica Sonnar. At this point, the Leicabore will lose all interest in your engraved top plate and will insist on being allowed to try out this strange lens. Wait until he has filled up the buffer of the M8 or M9 camera and is waiting impatiently for the first image to display. Neatly detach your lens from his camera, and beat a hasty retreat. The demented creature will eventually rush off home for a few hours of blissful pixel peeping in the hopes of proving the utter superiority of modern lenses over whatever curious relic of the optical past you exposed him to. Best regards, Doug Do you open your boiled egg at the sharp or the blunt end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 17, 2011 Share #400 Posted June 17, 2011 {snipped} The M9 users dont try the rangefnder or the wind lever they are perverts who just read the top plate script like it was 'Lady Chatterlys lover' I know what you're saying, but I think you're confusing M9 users with Leica collectors I couldn't care less what's on top of the camera. And my M6 and M3 means I get to use the wind lever often, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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