Kherberos Posted May 29, 2011 Share #21 Posted May 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very interesting precisions. Actually, I am a very happy user of a summicron 35mm f/2 in LTM on my Leica IIIg (it came cheap as a set, last summer). But being also a new owner of a MP, I am considering getting a "goggled" 35mm f/2. Of course I could use my LTM one (I am using it, indeed), but feel I want something allowing me to get closer. And this is where things tend to seem messy for me : There seems to be goggled summicron 35mm showing on their distance scale, sometime 0,70m, sometime 0,65cm… I am aware that goggled summicron are designed for the M3 and should close focus till 0,65… So, what are those 0,70m goggled 35mm f/2? Franken-lenses? Or are those lenses still able to focus till 0,65 even if the distance scale stop at 0,70m (Leitz somehow willing to standardized their engravings on the lenses versions)? These questions came to me when I saw recently a goggled 35 f/2 lens from 1969, noticed on the listing of a web shop, and showing "0,70m". Thank You for any information you may provide! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted May 29, 2011 Share #22 Posted May 29, 2011 Goggled Summicrons 35 from years like 1969 are rather rare (even if some sources say that the goggled version was listed until 1974) and they indeed have the focus scale to 0,7... having not one, I don't know if the focus throw goes shorter to the theoric limit of 0,65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kherberos Posted May 29, 2011 Share #23 Posted May 29, 2011 Thank You! At least, this discard the "franken-goggled-lens" interpretation. As for the focus throw… I would very much like to know. Maybe I should give it a try… Being new in the Leica world, the only source I have is internet (and this forum is a gold mine) and the last edition of E. Puts Leica Compendium. May I ask where you got the info about the distance scale? But may be was it simply based on experience? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted May 30, 2011 Share #24 Posted May 30, 2011 Hello Kherberos, Welcome to the Forum. I use a 1963 Version I w/ goggles which is engraved .7/28 which focuses to .65/26 quite nicely. Differences in engravings lens to lens on different examples of the same lens is quite common w/ Leitz/Leica as well as many other manufacturers both a while ago & now. I just wrote something which I think answers a lot of your questions concerning this lens in a section in this Forum called "Leica Collectors & Historica" The thread is called "Summicron 35mm First Type". It is # 47. I think you might find reading the entire thread quite enjoyable & informative given your questions. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonkee Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share #25 Posted June 3, 2011 Let me comment on four points: ... 4. Having used all Summicron 35 versions, while shooting B&W film I prefer the ver.I (8-elements) over any other Summicron versions as I get the longest gradations but also the best corner sharpness except the aspherical. At full aperture it has a finely dosed glow not unlike the Summilux pre or Summaron 2.8 however very sharp details are also to observe. Distortion is next to nil. Shortly it is a very unique lens with a distinct character. Hope these help... Bob I am interested in shooting both colour and B&W film, and intend to get a 35mm lens for my M3. Could anyone please comment on using the "old" google Summicron or Summaron 35mm lenses in colour photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 3, 2011 Share #26 Posted June 3, 2011 I am interested in shooting both colour and B&W film, and intend to get a 35mm lens for my M3. Could anyone please comment on using the "old" google Summicron or Summaron 35mm lenses in colour photos. They are single coated lenses and will both compress the contrast and pastel the colours. They need hoods. Lots of people like this effect and buy the CV 35mm and 40mm f/1.4 lenses in single coated form You need to be careful cleaning them like dont clean them, as the coatings are softer than the modern multi coated lenses. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobYIL Posted June 3, 2011 Share #27 Posted June 3, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am interested in shooting both colour and B&W film, and intend to get a 35mm lens for my M3. Could anyone please comment on using the "old" google Summicron or Summaron 35mm lenses in colour photos. I don't shoot color with film, only B&W.. And I do not believe you can have an idea about the real comparison of them on the limited resolution or transformed characteristics of the internet pages; however try flickr.com. BTW, goggled or not, the formula of Summaron 2.8 and Summicron 8-element does not change. For apertures from f4 to f16 I do not think you could tell them apart. So unless you intend to use them mostly for low-light, I would recommend you to buy a Summaron as it may cost you some 50% less than the Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 3, 2011 Share #28 Posted June 3, 2011 I don't shoot color with film, only B&W.. And I do not believe you can have an idea about the real comparison of them on the limited resolution or transformed characteristics of the internet pages; however try flickr.com. BTW, goggled or not, the formula of Summaron 2.8 and Summicron 8-element does not change. For apertures from f4 to f16 I do not think you could tell them apart. So unless you intend to use them mostly for low-light, I would recommend you to buy a Summaron as it may cost you some 50% less than the Summicron. MTF graphs suggest the Summaron f/2.8 is better then the type I cron, from 2.8 -16. But getting an intact aron or cron is difficult. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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