bpalme Posted April 30, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) About people getting multiple lenses from their dealer such as the hard to get ones... 35 and 50 Lux.. Nocti..just so they can turn around and sell them for much more since there's a shortage. Seems to me like there should be a limit of one each. But I think some dealers I guess have their pet patrons/friends so give them what they want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adli Posted April 30, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 30, 2011 I don't perceive this to be a big problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 30, 2011 Share #3 Posted April 30, 2011 Sounds like sour grapes to me. I am more bothered by the dubious ethics of those who put themselves on multiple dealer lists because it's beneath them to wait patiently or to ring 'round. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpalme Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted April 30, 2011 But if people are getting two 50 luxes while there are other people waiting.. then sell the other to make money.. I just don't see that as fair.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted April 30, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 30, 2011 The only sensible advice I can give to you is that you do the same. How you can say no to making as much as 500$-1000$? But if people are getting two 50 luxes while there are other people waiting.. then sell the other to make money.. I just don't see that as fair.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2011 Share #6 Posted April 30, 2011 About people getting multiple lenses from their dealer such as the hard to get ones... 35 and 50 Lux.. Nocti...Sounds like solid business sense to me - I wish I possessed it:o. But if these lenses are so hard to get how do they get hold of them? And why should dealers sell to them instead of to customers that are likely to buy an M9 body to go with it - or other gear. Business sense for a dealer is to have as many buying customers as possible - not to sell single items to probable non-returnees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpalme Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted April 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sounds like solid business sense to me - I wish I possessed it:o. But if these lenses are so hard to get how do they get hold of them? And why should dealers sell to them instead of to customers that are likely to buy an M9 body to go with it - or other gear. Business sense for a dealer is to have as many buying customers as possible - not to sell single items to probable non-returnees. I disagree in this situation..If you have 10 customers on a waiting list to buy a 50mm and one special customer can come in and buy all of the next 10 lenses so he can turn around and sell them to the others for a mark up then it's not fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2011 Share #8 Posted April 30, 2011 Which, as I explained, would be pretty stupid for the dealer to do, as he would turn away nine other potential special customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpalme Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted May 1, 2011 Which, as I explained, would be pretty stupid for the dealer to do, as he would turn away nine other potential special customers. My point exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted May 1, 2011 Share #10 Posted May 1, 2011 Looks like Communism is on the rise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesk8752 Posted May 1, 2011 Share #11 Posted May 1, 2011 About people getting multiple lenses from their dealer such as the hard to get ones... 35 and 50 Lux.. Nocti..just so they can turn around and sell them for much more since there's a shortage. Seems to me like there should be a limit of one each. But I think some dealers I guess have their pet patrons/friends so give them what they want. What leads you to believe that this is a sigificant problem? Do you know for a fact that it happen regularly, did it happen once, or it it one of those apocryphal tales that circulate on the Internet? Leica tries to distribute their scarce lenses across their dealer base based on who the best (ie, highest sales volume) dealers are. As others have said, it does not make sense for a dealer to sell multiple copies of scarce lenses to one buyer and lose the opportunity to sell them to other potential customers who might well buy additional gear now or in the future. Dealers are not stupid; Leica dealers, especially, would see the wisdom of "spreading the wealth" of scarce lenses as widely across their customer base as possible. That said, if this actually happens with any frequency, it may or may not be "fair" in your eyes but basic capitalist economics teaches that the seller will always try to maximize profit. One might wish for a "fairer" distribution of scarce goods, but that is not the way of the world... Sorry if this sounds like a rant, and I wish you well in your search for Leica lenses. As a final point, I have been able to buy copies of almost all of the modern Leica M lenses within the last 15 months since I became interested in the M-system. Evidently there are enough to go around itf you will spend the time to look for them! Regards, Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 1, 2011 Share #12 Posted May 1, 2011 Like Jim says, I doubt any Leica dealer in the world gets 10 of any lens (or even two) if they are in short supply. If Leica has 10 of a lens to ship, they will go to the next 10 dealers who have ordered them - 1 each - in the order the orders were received. Actually it is slightly more complicated than that, because dealers order from regional Leica reps, and reps order from the regional companies (e.g. Leica Japan, Leica USA) - so Leica USA may get 10 lenses, which are then shipped to the 10 of their 16 reps who have the oldest backorders, who hand them out to the stores they serve, also based on the dates of the backorders. So in fact even high sales volume is not a consideration - B&H waits in line, right along with the shop in Podunk with just one 50 f/1.4 on order, for the most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 1, 2011 Share #13 Posted May 1, 2011 My experience is that actually paying for a lens up-front rather than simply putting your name on the list puts you at the top of said list and you will get your lens more quickly. If you simply put your name on the list without showing commitment, you are where you belong. As for making a turn on reselling surplus lenses, the small potential profit of doing so is more than outweighed by the hassle and general "can I really be bothered?" feeling. It's no coincidence that I have a box marked "eBay" in my garage for surplus stuff which never seems quite to make it on to the site. That rainy afternoon which I mentally allocate to taking the pictures and doing the listings always presents something far more interesting to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 1, 2011 Share #14 Posted May 1, 2011 Frankly, if my dealer would tell me "Hi, Luigi ! Here are 5 Lux 50 asph brand new !! Pay and take away them all !" ... I'm not so sure I'd enter such a biz... can go good, can not... and is MUCH money.. selling lenses isn't my business... If happens / has happened sometime..ok.. good for the guy who made the biz... but I don't think it's a significant issue: it would result in a distorion of the market which surely is bad for the dealers, at the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 2, 2011 Share #15 Posted May 2, 2011 There is a point there Luigi - as soon as a dealer gets 10 (!) lenses in, it is clear they are not scarce any more and one would probably have to sell at a loss, not being a Leica dealer. They would turn from "new from dealer" into "LNIB from private seller" at an appropriate markdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 2, 2011 Share #16 Posted May 2, 2011 There is a point there Luigi - as soon as a dealer gets 10 (!) lenses in, it is clear they are not scarce any more and one would probably have to sell at a loss, not being a Leica dealer. They would turn from "new from dealer" into "LNIB from private seller" at an appropriate markdown. Exactly... if one thinks of Leica lenses as a speculative asset like tulips (hommage to Holland... ) ... I can only make him my best whishes... (for dealers, of course, is different... is their business... the owner of newoldcamera in Italy was rather smart, in past years, to acquire any good Noctilux he could find... now is very happy to offer them batch by batch...the ones he currently puts for sale are only a portion of his "f1 warehouse") Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted May 2, 2011 Share #17 Posted May 2, 2011 My experience is that actually paying for a lens up-front rather than simply putting your name on the list puts you at the top of said list and you will get your lens more quickly. If you simply put your name on the list without showing commitment, you are where you belong. Not always the case. I have patiently waited for my last two lenses (still waiting for the 35), having paid for them with a premier, international dealer, actually visited by Dr. Kaufman last month. I am almost at the year mark for the 35 (although one of the next lenses they receive should come my direction). My experience is that the top, ethical dealers abide by first come, first served. I also know others do not. But I would rather support this one dealer who has helped me over time. And before those chime in on I didn't look hard enough or I would have them by now- I have several 35s currently that are serving me fine, so rather than spend my time on the phone I would rather be out photographing and patiently waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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