phancj Posted February 18, 2011 Share #361 Â Posted February 18, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The criticisms are reasonable, so true as to criticisms on the DP1. I was addressing your notion that the sigma was needlessly and maybe unfairly "slaughtered" because it is not a Leica. Â As for the hope that this forum will have any impact on Leica's slow-poke approach to product improvements, one only need to see the zillions of threads on this since the launch and leica's non-responsiveness to get an idea. Reminds me of the time when I wanted some samples of laser cutting from one of the largest equipment firm in Germanyv and the samples took over two months to arrive: summer holidays! I ended up buying the core component (laser source) from another german firm but integrated the rest of the systems here. When the sales rep sheepishly came to my office I told him (a nice guy to add) if the samples took so long ( a sales process)who knows how much longer when I needed repairs! Â Ditto what I am hearing about leica repairs. A month in solms??!! I have repaired nikon stuff and max was less than a week here. Â No my friend, I sincerely believe we are chatting and ranting amongst ourselves. leica sure isnt listening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 18, 2011 Posted February 18, 2011 Hi phancj, Take a look here X1 Firmware v2 Upgrade [Merged thread]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jsrockit Posted February 18, 2011 Share #362 Â Posted February 18, 2011 How did you get the "leather" from the black on your grey? Â Secret ... Â (I simply asked since I had a peeling issue on my X1) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 18, 2011 Share #363 Â Posted February 18, 2011 Now that the secret is out.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earful Posted February 18, 2011 Share #364 Â Posted February 18, 2011 looks like leica's s system firmware update is out. anyone think that could clear the decks for the lowly x1 update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 18, 2011 Share #365  Posted February 18, 2011 Nope!  ok - Maybe  Leica posted to their twitter official account - "should be in march" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backpage Posted February 18, 2011 Share #366 Â Posted February 18, 2011 Continuing to comment in this thread shows a serious lack of common sense on my part. Well, that's never stopped me before, soooo... Â A few things: First the number of people commenting either pro or con on the X1 likely represents only a small (tiny) percentage of people who own this camera. Â Also, someone mentioned Leica as being an iconic brand. Do you guys realize that most people (even those with a camera in hand) have no idea what a Leica is. Many of my friends know I like to take pictures, so they often ask, what camera do I use. When I say, "Leica", I am usually met with a blank stare...they've never heard of it. Got that, most people have never heard of it and if they knew what these cameras cost X1, Ms etc, they would laugh and think I'm crazy. BTW, they might be right. Â For those of you who hate this camera, why do you still own it? The fact that you have enough discretionary income to afford it in the first place likely means if you were to sell it or trade it at a small loss that would have little or no impact on your finances. Â My suspicion is that you are like a friend of mine who hates Oprah Winfey, but watches her almost every day. When I asked her why she continues to watch she said, "I love to hate her" Does that sound familiar? Is that you? Is hating this camera and participating in these threads just sport for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 18, 2011 Share #367 Â Posted February 18, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I have been on the fence.. really 50/50 - so I don't fit your qualification of hating the camera by any stretch. In fact it's my love of it that probably causes the limitations to impact me more. Â Mine is up for sale now.. maybe leica's firmware will arrive before it sells. Â I certainly didn't have 'discretionary' income like many on this board.. I bought it for what it was/is/has// great IQ. Â I did not realize however that as a take everywhere camera the slow operation would impact me as much. Â I certainly am not like your oprah watching friend... and I'm sure there will be a few people who have held faith that the update will remedy partially at least some things.. and those who are disappointed with it and sell after testing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted February 21, 2011 Share #368  Posted February 21, 2011 Here's the last time I was out with it at night.  Halloweird: Halloween 2010 in Austin, TX - a set on Flickr  Texas show the dim lit street with the subject 3-5 meters away in a hurry, there are none on your site.........not long exposure stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanlow Posted February 22, 2011 Share #369 Â Posted February 22, 2011 To those who keep complaining, go get yourself another camera beside the X1 and go to their forum and complaint more. Â You can never be satisfied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 22, 2011 Share #370 Â Posted February 22, 2011 Bryan, clearly you haven't taken the opportunity to read the bulk of the comments, and your assertion that one cannot be happy with anything simply because one finds some fault with a specific device is reductive, unreasonable, and silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanlow Posted February 22, 2011 Share #371 Â Posted February 22, 2011 Bryan, clearly you haven't taken the opportunity to read the bulk of the comments, and your assertion that one cannot be happy with anything simply because one finds some fault with a specific device is reductive, unreasonable, and silly. Â Â Hi Edward, Â That's why I use "To Those" Not to be offending, "Some" have been complaining so much where I see whichever model they will be using will also not satisfy their demand. Â Furthermore, one should read up more preview, do more home work prior buying something you like and use it. Â If there's FW upgrade, it will be an added bonus to all user to benefit. If there's none, UAI ( Use As It is) Â Peace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 22, 2011 Share #372 Â Posted February 22, 2011 Using a flash is a different game to low light photography.............. the crowd scenes very ordinary lots of shadow noise and excessive colour casts . It is evident once the subject is out of the flash range IQ deteriorates quite dramatically. There is also a fair amount of back/mid ground focusing present in the images. None of the images showcase the IQ that the X1 is capable of. Good quality point and shoot territory in those shots unfortunately. I would use another camera for this sort of work to optimise the results. Like I have stated the X1 is great in some situations this is not one of them. Converting some of the images to bnw may be a good option................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #373  Posted February 22, 2011 Hi Edward, That's why I use "To Those" Not to be offending, "Some" have been complaining so much where I see whichever model they will be using will also not satisfy their demand.  Furthermore, one should read up more preview, do more home work prior buying something you like and use it.  If there's FW upgrade, it will be an added bonus to all user to benefit. If there's none, UAI ( Use As It is)  Peace.  Bryan - A lot of the complaints of the X1 in this thread come from experienced X1 users. And while I may not enjoy their choice of words or general attitude to "troll the forum". I can't help but to agree. Your assertions really seem to be ... egging along the fight. As opposed to trying to provide a new/valid point of debate.  The X1 is really a camera that inspires emotions (love and hate, and love-hate). I for one am a big supporter and defender of the X1, but unless the new FW improves the camera's handling dramatically, I for one will not return to the X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted February 22, 2011 Share #374 Â Posted February 22, 2011 While a small portion of the photos I linked were taken with a flash, how does flash photography versus low-light photography have anything to do with the focus speed of the X1? It's no brighter when when the camera is focusing. Â Although, I would be disappointed if you were ever really happy with anything ... Â Â Using a flash is a different game to low light photography.............. the crowd scenes very ordinary lots of shadow noise and excessive colour casts . It is evident once the subject is out of the flash range IQ deteriorates quite dramatically. There is also a fair amount of back/mid ground focusing present in the images. None of the images showcase the IQ that the X1 is capable of. Good quality point and shoot territory in those shots unfortunately.I would use another camera for this sort of work to optimise the results. Like I have stated the X1 is great in some situations this is not one of them. Converting some of the images to bnw may be a good option................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted February 22, 2011 Share #375  Posted February 22, 2011 Here's the last time I was out with it at night. Halloweird: Halloween 2010 in Austin, TX - a set on Flickr  These are mostly very nice shots, very atmospheric and the noise looks like good old fashioned film grain. Looks like you were all having a good time!  There are times when low light high iso shots should be as clean and sharp as possible, then there are times like these. Sort of sterile versus real life!  Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted February 22, 2011 Share #376 Â Posted February 22, 2011 I would be really surprised if 50% of the whiners and moaners here have ever held an X1 in their hands. Â On the other "cheerful" side I do think the Leica Forum X1 thread can successfully participate in the most boring and obnoxious thread of 2010/2011.... Â I would love to contribute, thats why I join a forum like this, but I don't understand why there are so many people trying to trash the X1, it is clearly, up until the moment I write this the most versatile optimally well performing compact camera ever come to my attention. Â Why do people trash Leica cameras ... it's because they can't afford them and yes they will tell you they can purchase anything they want but would only buy if the product was up to speck ... well Fick, the X1 is more up to speck than any other compact camera in the market today! and if you think the Fuji X100 will be better, please communicate your unfounded bullshit on the appropriate Fuji fora, plenty of these are to be found all across the web .... Â Getting really really bored with the LUF, it used to be a good site ... once... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglasco Posted February 22, 2011 Share #377 Â Posted February 22, 2011 Just to help you Fuji fans on your way here is a link to a Fuji forum Fuji Forums - Fujifilm Digital Camera Forums and Discussions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 22, 2011 Share #378 Â Posted February 22, 2011 Jan, what is it that you would like to see in the x1 forum? I'm not asking this in any snarky, way - but this is what I see the issue is with the specific nature of an x1 forum (rather than more broad).. Â We don't discuss lenses as it's fixed We don't discuss tech questions particularly as it's a pretty simple device We discuss the occasional glitch or broken camera We've probably answered the questions about which case/screen protector/wrist strap a hundred times We are discouraged from posting pictures in here and redirected to another subforum How many times can one compare cameras to watches? Â What do you think would make an interesting topic for the x1 forum? Assuming the firmware were to make even the naysayers fall in - what's next? 100 threads on why it's the greatest ever? Â I ask because I am genuinely curious what else could be offered aside from discussion about competition, accessories, or problems - that fits within the rules here.. also because there are some other places dealing with the x1, that treat the x1 as a secondary.. like the alt thread for m8/m9/x1 you may be interested in reading. Â At the end of the day, without sharing images, assuming the x1 fits one's needs, there's just not much to talk about I think... save trying to help those considering purchase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 22, 2011 Share #379 Â Posted February 22, 2011 Â Getting really really bored with the LUF, it used to be a good site ... once... Â The content of the forum is entirely up to its members, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 22, 2011 Share #380  Posted February 22, 2011 .......... back focusing and focus on unwanted areas seems to be acceptable by you so be it. The scenes are well lit not dim low light so there is enough contrast for the focus to find something without hunting for too long though it still doesn't know where to focus. ............ you chose mediocrity then all is well, enjoy. I guess you will be out there with your Ford focus racing those porsches again  ps Allnm film does not react to shadows in this manner. This is digital noise plus film dynamic range in shadows surpasses most digital files. Grain and noise are different beasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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