barjohn Posted January 15, 2011 Share #161 Â Posted January 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Seems like your comment calls for the famous quote: "If wishes were horses beggars would ride." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 Hi barjohn, Take a look here X1 Firmware v2 Upgrade [Merged thread]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
prk60091 Posted January 15, 2011 Share #162  Posted January 15, 2011 With all the X1 purchasers proclaiming that they are happy with the camera and that it doesn't need any firmware upgrade, why is the thread 8 pages long? I stated in the very beginning that slow AF and shutter lag make a serious tool nearly unusable. My early experience with the Olympus PEN EP-1 convinced me that after one misses a certain number of shots due to the camera's lack of responsiveness you start forgetting to bring that camera along or soon put it up for sale. Fortunately for OLY & Ricoh they have improved performance to acceptable levels but those requirements continue to rise as better equipment becomes available. Soon, the limitations of older technology relegate them to the dust bins of history. Whether Leica can improve the X1 performance enough to buy more time until the X2 remains to be seen; however, after a year of development time from release without new firmware would seem to indicate that it is not an easy thing to do.   At the risk of starting something..... The length of this thread i believe has everything to do with the folks who populate this forum. Ie; type a early adopting gadget freaks who want the latest best newest of everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted January 15, 2011 Share #163 Â Posted January 15, 2011 I can buy that. Probably describes me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tok Posted January 21, 2011 Share #164 Â Posted January 21, 2011 When??????????????????????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 21, 2011 Share #165 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Leica official response on facebook was not this month. FWIW. Â Leica is still working on the X1 firmware update, will not be released this month | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2011 Share #166 Â Posted January 21, 2011 and if the gxr is fast you can always choose that as a cheaper and faster option, at the expense of some IQ. Â You know what... after using both for awhile, the GXR is clearly inferior to the X1 in IQ. I still like the GXR w/ 28mm, but IQ wise the X1 does appear to be in a league of its own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted January 21, 2011 Share #167 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) haha JS, I told you so! Â I am still in search of the holy grail of tiny cam with great IQ, and at this moment it seems the X1 is in its own league like you said, just wish nikon/canon will rise to the occasion but looking at their successes with mass market cams I doubt it'll happen soon. Â There're some operational aspects of the X1 I do not like, but given its IQ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted January 21, 2011 Share #168 Â Posted January 21, 2011 <snip>Â at this moment it seems the X1 is in its own league like you said,<snip> Â There're some operational aspects of the X1 I do not like, but given its IQ..... Â Now there I have to agree. Some aspects (some minor and some major) could certainly do with improvement and firmware can only do so much. So we'll have to wait and see what an X2 (if there is to be one and I certainly hope there will be) brings. Having had my X-1 for some six weeks now and taking it on holiday leaving my M system behind there are only a few things that I would definitely like to see: Ability to do DNG only; improved AF speed; faster wake-up from sleep; oh and the M9 like ability to re-name profiles - hopefully there is enough memory available! Other things will have to wait for an X2 or an X1.1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted January 21, 2011 Share #169 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Brian, Â At this moment with whatever is available in the market I find the X1 to be a very competent travel camera. of course everyone's needs are different, but for most purposes the combination of portability/simplicity/IQ I cannot see the need of bringing my DSLR. Â I would be most happy if you can share your experience with the X1 during travel, pros and cons compared to the digital Ms...it will be very interesting yo hear your thoughts as an actual user. Â I am asking also because I am on the fence as to whether I should invest in an M9 at this moment. Â CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 21, 2011 Share #170 Â Posted January 21, 2011 You know what... after using both for awhile, the GXR is clearly inferior to the X1 in IQ. I still like the GXR w/ 28mm, but IQ wise the X1 does appear to be in a league of its own. Â Interesting js, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 21, 2011 Share #171 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Now there I have to agree. Some aspects (some minor and some major) could certainly do with improvement and firmware can only do so much. So we'll have to wait and see what an X2 (if there is to be one and I certainly hope there will be) brings.Having had my X-1 for some six weeks now and taking it on holiday leaving my M system behind there are only a few things that I would definitely like to see: Ability to do DNG only; improved AF speed; faster wake-up from sleep; oh and the M9 like ability to re-name profiles - hopefully there is enough memory available! Other things will have to wait for an X2 or an X1.1. Â Renaming profiles would be fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2011 Share #172 Â Posted January 21, 2011 haha JS, I told you so! Â Yeah, yeah... I know. Â There're some operational aspects of the X1 I do not like, but given its IQ..... Â I will still bring the Ricoh out with me over the X1 on the streets... the X1 is useless for quick photos. And no, I don't want to hear about fiddly zone focus work-arounds... I'll use the M8 if I want to deal with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted January 21, 2011 Share #173 Â Posted January 21, 2011 haha JS, I told you so! Â I am still in search of the holy grail of tiny cam with great IQ, and at this moment it seems the X1 is in its own league like you said, just wish nikon/canon will rise to the occasion but looking at their successes with mass market cams I doubt it'll happen soon. Â There're some operational aspects of the X1 I do not like, but given its IQ..... Â phancj, FYI, there is a rumor on a Nikon site that Nikon is announcing a mirrorless camera in April. If so Canon won't be far behind. I think it will be very interesting to see their take on this type of camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted January 21, 2011 Share #174 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Thanks..I read the same but thought the sensor will be very small, maybe smaller than m4/3. Â These are exciting times! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 21, 2011 Share #175 Â Posted January 21, 2011 CJ, Â I don't think they'd make that mistake.. imo it is likely to be a nex competitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted January 21, 2011 Share #176 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Since the x1 arrived a year ago plenty of cameras have been introduced that have faster operational speed and even newer APs c sensors, yet none can match the tonal rendition of the x1. Why? Who knows, but a file converted to black and white from the x1 stands out like no other... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 21, 2011 Share #177 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Off topic, but I couldn't agree more with your 12-18 post on the internet and unemployment.. heh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 21, 2011 Share #178 Â Posted January 21, 2011 Since the x1 arrived a year ago plenty of cameras have been introduced that have faster operational speed and even newer APs c sensors, yet none can match the tonal rendition of the x1. Why? Â I think it must come down to the lens... I think it is just better. The Sony lenses aren't very good, the Ricoh's is supposed to be great, but it is not on par with the Leica's from what I can see... (of course they are different focal lengths and it could be the processor or whatever). If most of the APS-C cameras are using similar sensors, then my ignorant conclusion is it must be the lens. That said, all of them look great under the right circumstances. The Leica just looks better to my eyes in low light and trickier situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted January 21, 2011 Share #179 Â Posted January 21, 2011 The DR and recovery of shadows in the x1 is very very good... In fact, it's arguably the reason I hang on to the x1, due to my environment.. and the fact that the x1 is the camera I take with me daily... though when I set out to shoot, it gets left 50% of the time as honestly, the 7d is still ahead in everything but weight with a decent lens. Â I do however have to send in my 15-85 walk around lens for the 7d.. and I am debating if the x1 is good enough for a trip north to the Grand Canyon.. mostly because I'd prefer to have an option of wider shots... though certainly the benefit of zoom on a 'trip' can't really be argued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted January 22, 2011 Share #180 Â Posted January 22, 2011 There is more to building cameras than just a sensor and a lens. Image processing pipeline AFTER the sensor has acquired the data is equally important. Quality, design and proper INTEGRATION of each subsystem with another matters. Just like the good old days of "hi-fi": the recording, tape head / cartridge (preferably moving coil!), tape deck mechanism / turntable (wow and flutter anyone?), the preamp, the power supply, the wiring, the power amp, the speakers and their placement - everything mattered to get the sound reproduction you wanted. Skimp on one subsystem and the sound quality went downhill fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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