Portobello Posted March 16, 2011 Share #1 Posted March 16, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is there anyway to bring out more noise or grain without setting it at ISO 1600 or 3200? During the day it's hard to use those ISOs without the shot being over exposed. Even with ISO 800 the camera churns out super clean shots (which I am okay with) but lately I've been in the mood for something grittier. I know I can add noise or grain in post but I like to avoid that whenever I can. Anyone have any tips on bringing out more noise/grain in their shots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted March 16, 2011 Share #2 Posted March 16, 2011 Once you've ruled out doing anything with in-camera exposure OR post-processing, there isn't much left. Underexposure will produce more noise once fixed in post, but that is effectively what you are doing by setting the camera to a high ISO anyway, except that the camera corrects for the underexposure instead of you. I guess you could heat the camera in an oven (or hot car trunk/boot) until just barely holdable - a warm sensor produces more noise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portobello Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted March 16, 2011 I had no idea about underexposure creating more noise. I always wondered why my darker ISO 400 shots produced more noise than my properly exposed 1600-3200 ISO shots. I'm going to try to try a series of underexposed shots and see if I can get the style I'm looking for. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted March 16, 2011 Share #4 Posted March 16, 2011 you can add grain in LR3 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/146426-x1-film-grain/?do=findComment&comment=1616744'>More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 16, 2011 Share #5 Posted March 16, 2011 you can add grain in LR3 ... or use external plug-ins, such as Nik, Exposure, TrueGrain, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted March 16, 2011 Share #6 Posted March 16, 2011 The OP said they didn't want to do it in post... If that is now an open option, exposure 3 does a great job mimicking film styles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 16, 2011 Share #7 Posted March 16, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The OP said they didn't want to do it in post... You are right - read it too quickly. Sorry Portobello. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted March 16, 2011 Share #8 Posted March 16, 2011 Is there anyway to bring out more noise or grain without setting it at ISO 1600 or 3200? During the day it's hard to use those ISOs without the shot being over exposed. Even with ISO 800 the camera churns out super clean shots (which I am okay with) but lately I've been in the mood for something grittier. Do you really find sensor noise to be as attractive as film grain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted March 16, 2011 Share #9 Posted March 16, 2011 I would suggest going to an ISO as high as possible. The M8 produces a very nice, film-like grain in bw shots at 1250. I think the type of sensor could have more to do with it than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 16, 2011 Share #10 Posted March 16, 2011 IMO sensor noise looks terrible especially those from cmos sensors (CCDs produce "nicer looking" noise). PP should produce more "film-like" results instead of trying to generate sensor noise directly in camera during capture. CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 16, 2011 Share #11 Posted March 16, 2011 I agree with you CJ. The newer software, like Silver Efex Pro, can replicate grain an awful lot better than sensor noise can, or indeed Lightroom or CS5 can, because all they do is add noise and have the cheek to call it 'grain'. But even noise can go a long way to giving the eye something appealing. Like the painters ability to vary brush strokes and the paint thickness its all part of the game of rendering an image how you want it, a bit like choosing a film in fact Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted March 16, 2011 Share #12 Posted March 16, 2011 Underexpose to the point you can just barely see the photo, then up the exposure in Adobe RAW or Lightroom. It'll be grainy as hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 16, 2011 Share #13 Posted March 16, 2011 Digital noise is white. Film grain is black. You cannot replicate film grain in-camera because it is not there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted March 16, 2011 Share #14 Posted March 16, 2011 Digital noise is white. Film grain is black. You cannot replicate film grain in-camera because it is not there. And I thought white noise was a form of torture! I've always wondered about the difference between the film grain and digital noise, can you explain the difference between them? Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portobello Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted March 16, 2011 I'm in love with Silver Efex Pro 2, just tried it out last night and it uses some of my favorite BW. Sometimes the effect is too strong but I just turn everything down to be a bit more subtle. I really like that the X1 spits out super clean images to play with but they can be a bit boring. Adding a bit of flavor to the picture is enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 17, 2011 Share #16 Posted March 17, 2011 ...so it's going to be PP after all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 17, 2011 Share #17 Posted March 17, 2011 How about ........... using film if you want grain?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portobello Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #18 Posted March 18, 2011 How about ........... using film if you want grain?! I do shoot film. I'd still like my digital shots to somewhat inherit what I love about film. Even if I do shoot film, I still scan it in and the end result is digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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