phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #21 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) In very rare circumstances I suppose so, but I almost never use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #22 Â Posted March 18, 2011 One question that I always find perplexing is the need for a built in flash unit - I mean does anybody actually use it? Â In a compact camera of this type it's a benefit. I rarely use flash with my M's but often use it on a compact which I will take to parties, gigs, that kind of thing. If I had to carry a separate flash it wouldn't be a compact solution any more. It was always a bit of a pain with the old Minox ML I had, tiny camera but double the size/weight to carry if you took the flash as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #23 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Do some of you have to bring the x100 into this thread too??!! Â The freaking thing has been done to death over and over and over again. Â Leave this thread alone please. Â It is clear for some here everything converge into the x100. it's a good camera, so is the X1, the m9, m8 etc,etc..but If I want to talk about another camera I would go to that particular appropriate forum. Â Calm down dear, it's only a camera! Â It's inevitable that the X100 will come into a conversation like this given that it's the only comparable product to the proposed design that the OP talks about. Â Why get so upset over it? I'm sure if there's a Fuji X100 forum out there (is there?) they'll be comparing it with the Leica's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #24 Â Posted March 18, 2011 I am calm. Â it's just the whole darn thing has been done to death and I am seriously bored to tears. Â For want of anything new to add the posts are practically identical... Â I am perfectly happy with comparisons and I do that often myself but there is a dedicated X100 thread somewhere and those who wish to discuss it should go there. Â Otherwise it seems no thread can "escape" the x100 pundits who will turn every single thread into one that ultimately gets merged into the massive x100 thread. Â I for one would like to discuss something else at least for now. Â And yes, there are tons of forums out there on the x100, just google it but I am sure you know that already. Â My original intention was to spur ideas on what kind of design ww would like for the X2. My take is it should be just as small but enhanced. VF is not absolutely necessary to be built-in. Whats yours? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #25 Â Posted March 18, 2011 From the start I said the X1 should have a build in viewfinder, a 'proper' lens i.e. with an aperture ring, focus ring, filter thread and ideally not a battery draining motorised collapsible design. Â The camera I had in mind when the X1 was rumoured looked pretty much like the X100 - oops! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #26 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Haha we got it....anything else? Â I dunno for all but I feel such cameras should be made small, really small, the smaller the better! Â I would buy a FF X2 with fixed lens but just as small, or an APS-C in a dlux body if possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 18, 2011 Share #27 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) One simply can not stabilize a camera held way out in front. Â The elbows need to be in against the chest and camera smashed against the head. This position has been pounded in for 5 decades so you get sharp pictures. Â The big `ol lcd screen is nothing but a cost savings. Â Then they have that lens that shoots in & out. How long until that breaks? Â In my opinion the concept is just a way overpriced P&S camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #28 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Just because something is entrenched doesnt mean it is the only way to go. All the shots I took with this camera has been sharp. Â I handhold up to 1/30 max to ensure 100% stability without much problems, and I do not have firm hands at all. Â I have no idea how a lens that goes in and out is durable or not but the LCD is fine for me. Â Guess the need for VF in a compact camera is not vital for me, but hey thats just me maybe. Â I havent seen a Leica product in which no one says its overpriced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #29  Posted March 18, 2011 Then they have that lens that shoots in & out. How long until that breaks? In my opinion the concept is just a way overpriced P&S camera.  It's not just that it's another thing which might break, it drains battery power, slows up the camera (see image, turn on, wait for lens to emerge..) and worst of all it sucks dust inside the camera which will eventually end up on the sensor - which you can't get at to clean.  Very poor design IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #30  Posted March 18, 2011 It's not just that it's another thing which might break, it drains battery power, slows up the camera (see image, turn on, wait for lens to emerge..) and worst of all it sucks dust inside the camera which will eventually end up on the sensor - which you can't get at to clean. Very poor design IMHO.  I may have been lucky and no dust has gone in in over a year, and I shoot a lot in dusty India. Battery life is adequate at approx 250 shots (raw plus fine jpeg) and some chimping.  I wouldnt want the lens to be permanently protruding coz that'll reduce portability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #31 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Just because something is entrenched doesnt mean it is the only way to go. Â Very true, but then things that are established are often the way they are for a purpose. Â I've seen countless changes made in business for example, that have basically caused complete cock-ups and financial loss, because some bright spark comes along and imposes 'improvements' without considering why things are the way they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #32  Posted March 18, 2011 Haha we got it....anything else? I dunno for all but I feel such cameras should be made small, really small, the smaller the better!  I would buy a FF X2 with fixed lens but just as small, or an APS-C in a dlux body if possible.  I love small cameras too. I had the Minox as a carry everywhere camera. Full frame and smaller than a packet of cigarettes. It fits in a jeans pocket.  I replaced that with a Clux, barely bigger with a zoom lens and flash built in. Quality of images can't compare however, and my Clux sensor is now covered in dust so I've mostly stopped using it (it's OK for ebay shots).  Seems it's impossible to make a digital equivalent of the Minox, obviously the battery has to be bigger for a digital camera and the other electronics take up more space, so we'll probably never see a really compact FF digital, but maybe one day they will be able to make a Minox sized small sensor digicam which can give the same quality as a 35mm compact.  So, if the camera can't fit into a trouser pocket then I'm going to have to carry it on a neck strap or in a bag (or coat pocket if I'm wearing one) in which case ultimate size isn't such an important factor for me. I'd rather have a viewfinder if it means having a camera that's a little bit bigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #33 Â Posted March 18, 2011 YEs and no. Way of shooting is so individual and subjective, but IMO there are many who may be fixated in their ways, no right or wrong it's just the way people behave. Â For example, the stretched arms have been described as "zombie" position and deemed amateurish. I do a semi-zombie position with the X1 and it has worked for me well, purist may deride me for my shooting style with this camera but I believe the end justify the means. Like I said before I actually desire to look like a total novice coz it allows me to have strangers lower their "defense" and they are open and candid with me hence allowing me to have nicer and less contrived portraits. Â Two of the best features outside of IQ for the X1 is 1) It looks totally benign and non-intimidating to subjects by virtue of its tiny size and innocuous primitive look and 2) the shutter is silent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #34 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Agree on that point, the zombie position LCD 'viewfinder' has its benefits too. One can take a photo discreetly (pretending to review an image or holding the camera at waist level), or frame accurately whilst holding the camera over peoples heads in a crowd. Â I find using a TLR great for street photography too, people just don't realise you're taking a photo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #35 Â Posted March 18, 2011 One question that I always find perplexing is the need for a built in flash unit - I mean does anybody actually use it? Â Â i have used it for fill flash exactly once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #36 Â Posted March 18, 2011 I love small cameras too. I had the Minox as a carry everywhere camera. Full frame and smaller than a packet of cigarettes. It fits in a jeans pocket. Â I replaced that with a Clux, barely bigger with a zoom lens and flash built in. Quality of images can't compare however, and my Clux sensor is now covered in dust so I've mostly stopped using it (it's OK for ebay shots). Â Seems it's impossible to make a digital equivalent of the Minox, obviously the battery has to be bigger for a digital camera and the other electronics take up more space, so we'll probably never see a really compact FF digital, but maybe one day they will be able to make a Minox sized small sensor digicam which can give the same quality as a 35mm compact. Â So, if the camera can't fit into a trouser pocket then I'm going to have to carry it on a neck strap or in a bag (or coat pocket if I'm wearing one) in which case ultimate size isn't such an important factor for me. I'd rather have a viewfinder if it means having a camera that's a little bit bigger. Â i still have the minox 35 (which sadly remains in a drawer -unused and neglected and a clux also mostly unused (i have the underwater housing- so it still gets used while on vacation) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted March 18, 2011 Share #37 Â Posted March 18, 2011 I like his concept. I'd be interested in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #38  Posted March 18, 2011 I read an interview with a Leica manager a while ago in which he said the X-1 is a niche they want to develop. The camera could have an F2 lens, more sensible manual focus and faster focusing and then it would be really something. I find I can make very high quality prints around 21 inches. Here is a portrait of a photographer friend in Montreal. Shot wide open. Photographers are amazed at the print quality. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/146270-peter-lueck-and-the-concept-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1619034'>More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #39  Posted March 18, 2011 Bearing in mind it is just a jpeg. 100 percent crop. Wide open, ISO 400, 1/100th, Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/146270-peter-lueck-and-the-concept-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1619038'>More sharing options...
fen hawk Posted March 18, 2011 Share #40 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Great shot! is that a tear in his eye about not owning an X1? ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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