J_Brittenson Posted January 27, 2007 Share #21 Posted January 27, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now the question of the day is the 90 APO the same quality of the 75 apo and the only difference size and weight and focal length or am i going to lose quality on the 90 apo. I used (and you did too, no?) have the APO 90 R; I think that 90 was sharper wide open than my APO 75 M. It would consistently produce tack sharp images at f/2 while the 75 is noticably softer. But I love the rendition and look of the 75 and would never replace it with a 90... sharper or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted January 28, 2007 Share #22 Posted January 28, 2007 Guys - stop talking about these lenses please.... they are both on my wish list and I can't get to the shop right now!!!! LOL On the serious side, I am very interested in this too. I am leaning towards the 75.... but the 90 is still on my wish list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted January 28, 2007 Share #23 Posted January 28, 2007 Too late for me. I found a used 90 this afternoon ... now I'm going to have to explain yet another camera related package delivery early next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnkuo Posted January 28, 2007 Share #24 Posted January 28, 2007 I haven't used the 90APO, but the 75 is any but soft in my experience. Here's a sample: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14567-75-apo-vs-90-apo/?do=findComment&comment=154676'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 28, 2007 Share #25 Posted January 28, 2007 Too late for me. I found a used 90 this afternoon ... now I'm going to have to explain yet another camera related package delivery early next week. Your worse than me. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted January 28, 2007 Share #26 Posted January 28, 2007 Dear Guy I've been shoting with my 75 Cron since last July. Agree with most experience and opinion in this thread. Would add one if you are a bokeh lover. From Clyde's 90 Cron wide open shots #11, out of focus highlight bokeh is circular, very nice. For 75 Cron, this will be octagonal highlight bokeh from my experience. Not certain what will show up with 75 Lux, though I suspect it will be circular as well. Cheers Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted January 28, 2007 Share #27 Posted January 28, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guy, I should have your address memorized by now with all of the lenses we've sent back and forth over the past several years. Kurt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted January 28, 2007 Share #28 Posted January 28, 2007 Guy - I fully understand your genuine need to have every available tool in your bag. I was prevented for 40 years by my contract of employment from gaining any personal pecuniary benefit from photography - but since all my acquaintances knew of my work and interest I was always being asked to “take some pictures”. The range of subjects and situations has been enormous. Hence I gradually acquired a wide range of lenses and in general have kept them updated. I have no knowledge of the 75mm f/1.4. Until the M8 arrived I had no interest in this focal length which I saw as being too close to the 90mm. Now it’s one of my favourites. When out and about I find I cannot prevent myself from looking at a scene and instinctively thinking in terms of the lens I would pick when using film. So I think 90mm and then find that the effective 120mm is not right and reach for the75mm. It will take time to get over this. Given I have this “problem”, which I suspect many others suffer from at the moment, I do sometimes wonder where Leica are going to go with lens development in a world that will either be dominated by the M8 or they will cease to exist. It’s that serious. The wide angle lenses are a bit all over the place in my view. I want an18mm f/2.8 not a WATE. My cherished 24mm will be too close to my 28mm when it arrives – but I can’t manage without an equivalent of the 35mm f/2 on film and the 24mm does not provide the solution. I guess the big question is: “Will Leica introduce lenses suitable only for the 18 x 27mm sensor size?” If they do they can obviously solve the wide angle problem and give us 28mm f/1.4 and 21mm f/2 etc. If not then some of the technical capability of the M film cameras has genuinely been lost despite the high sensitivity of the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 28, 2007 Share #29 Posted January 28, 2007 Peter i do agree a 18 2.8 would be a key lens in there lens up and also a 28 1.4, 24 f2. Maybe even a few more. I believe we will se that in the future . The WATE maybe a nice general purpose lens but certainly slow for one and just does not cover everyones need. Interesting you mention this ,last night I was out for dinner and was just thinking on these lines of how Leica has general purpose lenses in some than more specialized the bokeh look in others and than the clinical cut your eyes out sharp lenses. Actually this is found both in the R and the M and even more so in the M mounts there are like 3 distinct types of glass. Most folks don't look at them like that. Now most other cmaera's don't have these type of offerings and you buy a 85 and you get what you get. Leica is different this way and one big reason I like them is I have different looks in glass.The new WATE is one of those general purpose types for a new offering and what they need to do now is go back and design the more specialized fast wide glass and hopefully they will do that. We have a lot of options but not necassarly fast ones. Also we have other options like Zeiss and Voightlander which really make some outstanding lenses the two but speed needs to be addressed by Leica now with there 1.37 crop factor which i know will be around a long time. Interesting discussion here , love talking about what these lenses do in terms of there look.For me the 90 apo will be a more specialized lens and there when I need it and it will just replace the 90 elmarit and i love my 75 cron but will run a test and borrow a 75 lux from my Leica rep for a day and see which one I like. Knowing me I might just have to have both 75's. Yes i am a sick person. LOL One thing I like about he 75 Cron is the close focusing and I think the only one that goes that close without being a macro. I don't want to give that up, are there any others that can get close for small stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted January 28, 2007 Share #30 Posted January 28, 2007 Peter, I agree about the wide angles, and I'm having minor mental fits trying to decide what to do with my lens lineup. Nothing for the M8 really replaces the 35 Summilux or the 21 Elmarit, two of my favorite lenses. Clyde Rogers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 28, 2007 Share #31 Posted January 28, 2007 Peter, I agree about the wide angles, and I'm having minor mental fits trying to decide what to do with my lens lineup. Nothing for the M8 really replaces the 35 Summilux or the 21 Elmarit, two of my favorite lenses. Clyde Rogers I agree, I like f2 of the 28/2.0, but I allways feel I can see its alittle more compressed than 35mm in film times. The 24 I like better but 2.8 is not that fast. I feel that this leads to make people buy more lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted January 28, 2007 Share #32 Posted January 28, 2007 I guess the big question is: “Will Leica introduce lenses suitable only for the 18 x 27mm sensor size?” If they do they can obviously solve the wide angle problem and give us 28mm f/1.4 and 21mm f/2 etc. If not then some of the technical capability of the M film cameras has genuinely been lost despite the high sensitivity of the M8. That is the 64K question. Leica really needs to introduce some fast wides to suite the needs of the M8's crop factor. And in order to do that they are going to need to think about offering crop factor only lenses, if only with the superwides. A full frame 21mm F1.4 is just not possible and is going to be difficult in a crop only lens. However, Leica risks alienating the film folks with the introduction of such a lens. Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth? But the future is digital. Leica needs to develop new lenses in the range that is not well served for the m8. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 28, 2007 Share #33 Posted January 28, 2007 Leica has made a 25mm f/1.4 for the 4/3 system. However, it weighs 1/2 kg and is kinda large. Okay, it is auto-focus to my knowledge and yet it still only has to cover the smaller sensor. Perhaps a 25mm f/2.0 might be a nice compromise for the M8. Leica D Summilux 25mm f/1.4 ASPH now official Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted January 28, 2007 Share #34 Posted January 28, 2007 Guy, I have both the 90mm and 75mm Cron's. I always thought the 90mm a fantastic lens, really the first M lens I owned that I could use at full aperture without the slightest hesitation. Then I got the 75mm and it is even better - not a lot and you have to be very very careful about your technique - but it has higher contrast in the very fine detail. The MTF data supports this and also confirms that quite small differences in the MTF data are clearly visible under the right conditions. The devil in evaluating the images is the difference in DOF and magnification. In the real world one does not in general use different focal lengths and then adjust your subject distance to give equal image size. I, and I suspect almost everyone else, normally use a longer lens to give a larger image from the same viewpoint though with portraiture I do sometimes change focal length to give a different perspective. Critical evaluation under these conditions thus becomes quite difficult. In the past it was often pointed out that images taken with a 35mm lens appeared to be "better" than those taken with a 50mm lens simply because they contained more and finer detail. To a limited degree the same is true of the 75mm v 90mm - but the 75mm 'Cron is to my mind the best lens in the current range followed closely by the 135mm Apo-Telyt, the 90mm 'Cron ASPH and the 24mm Elmarit ASPH. Some distance behind these is the 35mm 'Cron ASPH, which whilst very good is not quite on the same level. The 50mm 'Cron is really begining to show its age in this company. I don't know about the 28mm 'Cron ASPH because mine has not yet arrived. Dont forget the 1,4 50mm ASPH, where i think that this is the really universal lens, if you would only go with one lens. Its amazing sharp and shows a nice bokeh at 1,4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 28, 2007 Share #35 Posted January 28, 2007 Yes the 50 lux is one of my favorite M lenses so far at 1.4 it is really sharp , now just need to find a buyer for my 90 Elmarit and get the 90 apo, Jeff decided not to get it so i will work on getting that to e-bay with a slew of R glass already there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 28, 2007 Share #36 Posted January 28, 2007 The 50 Lux Asph is great, but on an M8 I find it a tad too long to act as normal lens. I am now happy with my 35 Cron Asph in that role, with the 50 coming out for portraits and other, slightly longer duty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rljones Posted January 28, 2007 Share #37 Posted January 28, 2007 Guy, I've owned all the lenses you've mentioned over the years. I sold the 90 apo, preferring the 75 apo. I think the bokeh from the 75 apo is nicer than the 90 apo. For my 90, I picked up the 90/4 macro; really nice little lens (and with a trimmed, self adhesion velcro strap around the barrel, it won't collapse into the M8). In the past I found the 75/1.4 too slow to focus (the 80/1.4 seems much faster). If the 75/2 apo is too slow (and I think it could be for some situations), go with a Noctilux. I did. (remember, I did not steer you wrong a few years ago with the 180/2 apo...) So, I'm using a 50/1.0, 75/2 apo and 90/4 macro. -Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 29, 2007 Share #38 Posted January 29, 2007 Robert, I have not heard that the 90/4 Macro may not collapse into the M8? I think all the current lenses are okay, including this lens and the 50/2.8 Elmar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rljones Posted January 29, 2007 Share #39 Posted January 29, 2007 carstenw, I cannot state the collapsed 90/4 won't work on the M8. I just don't wish to test it after reading in a thread on this forum that someone had contacted Leica and they were told that the collapsed 90/4 lens could hurt the M8. Since I don't need it collapsed, I thought I'd avoid any such issues by prophylatically viagra-izing with velcro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted January 29, 2007 Share #40 Posted January 29, 2007 Someone at Leica said that? Strange... Does it look long enough to make contact with the shutter? I am planning to do exactly what you did, and get the 75/2 and 90/4 and some other lens for portraits, perhaps a pre-Asph 50 Lux or a Noctilux (much later, in that case). On page 89 of the manual at this link, it states that the tube of the 90/4 Macro does not even extend into the body, and that this lens may be used without restriction: http://www.leica-camera.us/assets/file/download.php?filename=file_1305.pdf Compare: http://www.summilux.net/m_system/images/MacroElmar90.jpg http://www.summilux.net/m_system/objectifs/MacroAdapterM.jpg Note that there is a 90/4 Elmar produced from 1954-1968 which may not be used at all on the M8. Perhaps the support person was unsure which version you had. Note how long it is: http://leicahiroba.web.infoseek.co.jp/Lense_leica_Elmar90M_01_s.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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