ChiILX1 Posted February 15, 2011 Share #21 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not bring the X1 if I am shooting a football game. But I seriously think many who rant about the X1's AF speed make it seem almost unusable, which is far from my own experience of it. You buy a camera for its strengths, and accept its shortcomings. As with everything in life. We have a choice. Â Yeah ok... sure.. of course! Mine too. I'm not one of those people and don't have to be in order to anticipate FW2.0 to purportedly fix those shortcomings. I choose the X1 but can still look forward to X1 2.0!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest X1s Posted February 15, 2011 Share #23  Posted February 15, 2011 I do not bring the X1 if I am shooting a football game. But I seriously think many who rant about the X1's AF speed make it seem almost unusable, which is far from my own experience of it. You buy a camera for its strengths, and accept its shortcomings. As with everything in life. We have a choice.   +1.  The X1's (auto focus) is, in it self 90% un useable, period! according to the last 6 months of posts complaining about it in this forum, that should be proof enough for most, period. But some people just won't quit, and admit to the disappointment of this camera. And if anybody is thinking Leica will be (SUBSTANTIALLY) making the auto focus issue better by a FW up date, you must be high, enjoy the Dudd, it is what it is, there are much better options in the works as of now, in regards to an X1 and its "IQ" hmmm? IQ?. And X1 is a second camera not a 1 and only camera. Christ, for 2,000.00 I can think of much better options available now than a $2,000.00 piece of plastic which has chronic peeling and de lamination and flash pop up problems, Hmmmm?and thats been posted ad nausium too.  anyways, that my 2 cents from the last 6 months of posts on this forum concerning the X1 and it flaws and un happy users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 15, 2011 Share #24 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Whatever dude maybe its just me but the AF is more than usable. I think the photographer plays a part too. For every complaint by one user thousands are quietly enjoying their cameras, this goes for all cameras. Â As for an APS-C sensor in a compact size there isnt one imminent, not the X100 since it is big. Â Name me a camera without QC problems. Like the M9 where it has been reported a single disgruntled user generated tons of threads. Â Also, the X1 is largely metal. Â Nobody is high here except perhaps your goodself and ricoh has increased AF speed with FW update. Â And I believe that will be "dud" not "dudd" dude and the X1 is not "un useable" but I am not unhappy with you since you are obviously high and " un happy" but whatever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted February 15, 2011 Share #25  Posted February 15, 2011 The X1's (auto focus) is, in it self 90% un useable, period! according to the last 6 months of posts complaining about it in this forum, that should be proof enough for most, period. But some people just won't quit, and admit to the disappointment of this camera. And if anybody is thinking Leica will be (SUBSTANTIALLY) making the auto focus issue better by a FW up date, you must be high, enjoy the Dudd, it is what it is, there are much better options in the works as of now, in regards to an X1 and its "IQ" hmmm? IQ?. And X1 is a second camera not a 1 and only camera. Christ, for 2,000.00 I can think of much better options available now than a $2,000.00 piece of plastic which has chronic peeling and de lamination and flash pop up problems, Hmmmm?and thats been posted ad nausium too. anyways, that my 2 cents from the last 6 months of posts on this forum concerning the X1 and it flaws and un happy users.  You are of course entitled to your view, and I am not saying that the X-1 is perfect, but IMO what you are saying here is ridiculous (and I wanted to use very much stronger language, but politeness and Forum rules prevent me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted February 15, 2011 Share #26  Posted February 15, 2011 The X1's (auto focus) is, in it self 90% un useable, period! according to the last 6 months of posts complaining about it in this forum, that should be proof enough for most, period. But some people just won't quit, and admit to the disappointment of this camera. And if anybody is thinking Leica will be (SUBSTANTIALLY) making the auto focus issue better by a FW up date, you must be high, enjoy the Dudd, it is what it is, there are much better options in the works as of now, in regards to an X1 and its "IQ" hmmm? IQ?. And X1 is a second camera not a 1 and only camera. Christ, for 2,000.00 I can think of much better options available now than a $2,000.00 piece of plastic which has chronic peeling and de lamination and flash pop up problems, Hmmmm?and thats been posted ad nausium too. anyways, that my 2 cents from the last 6 months of posts on this forum concerning the X1 and it flaws and un happy users.  This assessment isn't grounded in any reality I or other happy X1 users have shared. Although the AF is slower than I would like I would never say it's 90% unusable. Neither would a years worth of beautiful pictures posted by users here: Flickriver: Searching for photos matching 'Leica X1' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X1s Posted February 15, 2011 Share #27 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) See thats what I'm talking about dude, it is a dud.... wake up and smell the coffee, you and a few others here stand alone. You can't admit that after 15 months and especially the last 6 months that the excitement and enthusiasm as come down to (CHRONIC COMPLAINTS) about the X1 even you said so your self in previous posts, and many others to have posted and voiced there disappointment to the X1's (many) issue all over this forum, in regard to A $2,000.00's worth of the X1 Camera, Much better options Phanci. I've followed your posts very closely along with several others here, you and your cohorts are the minority here, there is know magic bullet coming in regards to the FW update, you should know this, and you also should know what the X1's hardware limitations are to, being such a proponent of the X1. Look I'm just tired of people like you selling the X1 as a multi purpose everyday night , street, and action shooter. ITS NOT THAT! and you said so yourself in previous posts. Thats it, enjoy it $2,000.00 Hmmmm? what a waste. you should have bought an M9 or and S2 there issues are far less at there price point, IMHO. Â The X1 is what it is, its almost 18 months old, time to move forward. Don't miss quote me either, the X1 is great if you have static subjects, things that don't move in adequate lighting, period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted February 15, 2011 Share #28  Posted February 15, 2011 You're hilarious. Clearly you can't read. And I mean that seriously.  Not only have you completely collapsed over a years' worth of nuanced postings in this forum into "CHRONIC FAILURE" but, in the same post, refer to me both as a X1 basher with amnesia and a blind X1 proponent! How can you post that "people like me... sell the X1 as a multi purpose everyday night , street, and action shooter" immediately below the post where I say my only serious acknowledgement of its shortcomings is that it can't shoot action? I mean what does this mean:  ... Look I'm just tired of people like you selling the X1 as a multi purpose everyday night , street, and action shooter. ITS NOT THAT! and you said so yourself in previous posts  So did I say so or am I pitching it as the perfect camera?  No camera is perfect. All I've ever said about the X1 is that:  1) AF makes constant action situations frustrating to shoot 2) immaterial auto aperture fidgeting in between shots regardless of viewfinder use or aperture setting is a waste of battery 3) low battery warning should turn off LCD not turn it on despite having a viewfinder attached  Yeah, AF can be improved by a FW update. What's the sin in looking forward to it?  It's funny, the complaints on the X1 have been on the same thing (namely AF) since it came out - expert and consumer review sites actually tout that fact from this forum as evidence of how solid the X1 is considering how great the X1's IQ is and that no other problems have arisen!  You can't collapse the X1 into just its couple shortcomings, nor can you tout it as the perfect camera. But if you think the majority of people on this forum consider it such an awful camera, or even if you are the only one who does, you should check out all the amazing pictures everyone's been taking with it.  Or maybe get one yourself so you know what you are actually talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 15, 2011 Share #29 Â Posted February 15, 2011 X1s, Â Relax. Â Nobody has said here the X1 will be an ideal camera for a NFL game. Â I am all game for a new camera dude, find me something that small and having that IQ. Â As for the M9, I disagree. Many complaints too if you want to look them up. Ditto all cameras. Â I want a smaller package for travel so the M9 isnt it for me. Also I like AF, slow or not I have no problems taking photos, look them up. I am not winning awards soon but they look fine to me. I think we are entitled to choosing cameras that best suit our needs, and pricing is very individual. I still feel the X1 is value for money but you are entitled to your opinion. Â Me being enthusiastic about the camera and posting my enthusiasm is perfectly ok and natural, you can ignore my enthusiasm just as much as I can ignore your rants. This is an X1 forum so points for & against it will be raised. Â Out of curiosity what system/s are you using? Â CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted February 15, 2011 Share #30 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Boo...Hoo....there are tons of people doing fine with the X1....maybe its not the camera.... Â The bitterness in your post speaks volumes, may be too long jobless....? I repeatedly criticized technical shortcomings of a camera and Leica's inability to address them in a manner competitors do with their products. I never said the output of the X1 was not first rate, rather the contrary. And so do others such as e.g. hooligan, jsrockit etc. But this is not your first personal attack on this forum. So it is time for you to back off and show some style. If you can not handle someone being of a different opinion as regards a tool or its manufacturer's performance I suggest you either seek help or stay away from controversial discussions. The X1's AF performance(speed) is substandard and the MF implementation crippled. Being in denial of these facts make not go them away. And the AF performance benchmark for compact large sensor cameras has meanwhile been well established by several competitors' products. As are FW update cycles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 15, 2011 Share #31 Â Posted February 15, 2011 I didnt recall Dan being bitter, maybe just his version of humor? Is Dan really jobless?? Â The X1 has stellar IQ coz of its large sensor, and AF is slow but usable for most shots except fast action sports. Leica should have issued FW updates to satisfy that portion of the complaints as soon as possible. Guess they are still furiously pumping out cameras to sell coz sales is certainly the main determinant for success not that any rant here will matter. Better to rake in the money whilst they can. I would do the same if I were them. Â I would bet that some if not many of leica's competitors will wish they were leica, a legendary brand having the balls to come out with something like the X1. Looks like fuji has caught on with the notion and is pumping out their version. Hopefully Nikon and canon do the same. Â I think being a compact approved for Getty does spell something that Leica is doing right with the X1. Â I would love its competitors to all jump on the bandwagon so leica is kept on its toes and we can see better and cooler cameras often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted February 15, 2011 Share #32 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Don't know why this thread was started - Time for some perspective.....?? Â Same old arguments and same old perspectives as the original thread. Nothing changes. For god's sake Leica, roll out the update and put an end to this.....or will it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 15, 2011 Share #33 Â Posted February 15, 2011 or will it? Â Oh, the optimism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 15, 2011 Share #34 Â Posted February 15, 2011 BTW the digilux 2 is still an excellent camera to many and it has atrocious wait time in between shot amongst other operational quirks. The X1 has better IQ than it given the sensor. So I really dont get why some who are still using the digilux ranting about the operational speed of the X1. Â I am still trying to find time to send in my digilux 2 for repair. Just to see what the fuss is about since I have almost forgotten how good it was... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 15, 2011 Share #35 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Yeah, AF can be improved by a FW update. What's the sin in looking forward to it? Â There is no sin. Â I don't understand people on either side of this issue. Why make excuses for a camera that doesn't work as promised simply because it is a Leica? Also, why get upset at users who only want the camera to work better through an FW update. WTF? Â These cameras are computers basically... what consumer computer device doesn't receive FW updates or OS updates. Why wouldn't we welcome them if it can make our camera better? Â The bottom line is that the AF on the X1 stands alone in slowness. It is not on par (or even close) with cameras of its type. It isn't like we are asking for Leica to make something fast faster. The X1 is the slowest camera I've ever used and that goes against everything we are used to with Leica. X1 users have a legitimate gripe. Non-users need to relax and realize they don;t know what they are talking about and fanboy users need to stop making excuses for a camera that can be better. Â Yes, it is capable of great images. Yes, it is very nice in your hand. Yes, it is fun to use... but it is dead slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 15, 2011 Share #36 Â Posted February 15, 2011 JS, Â To digress while picking up the B&W UV Haze filter for my Nikkpor I came across an M8 that looks pristine new (black). Its serial number is "310****" is it the earlier or later batches? Asking price US$2,600...quite expensive IMO but looks completely new and claimed 10,000+actuations. Â What do you think? Â CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 15, 2011 Share #37  Posted February 15, 2011 JS, To digress while picking up the B&W UV Haze filter for my Nikkpor I came across an M8 that looks pristine new (black). Its serial number is "310****" is it the earlier or later batches? Asking price US$2,600...quite expensive IMO but looks completely new and claimed 10,000+actuations.  What do you think?  CJ  I don't know about the serial numbers, sorry. $2600 is a bit steep IMO unless it comes with a warranty of some sort (even a short term dealer one that allows you to put the camera through its paces). I would proceed with caution on body unless you want a new looking one. $2000 M8 bodies without warranty show up all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECliffordSmith Posted February 15, 2011 Share #38 Â Posted February 15, 2011 Hi, Â I bought my M8, new, in June 2007 and the serial number is 3110XXX so the one you have seen is probably from a bit before that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 15, 2011 Share #39 Â Posted February 15, 2011 I was in a situation yesterday where the gf1 wasn't fast enough for AF< let alone the x1. Â Yes, I could have been walking around zone focused, but that wouldn't have attained the shot I wanted. Â I fully realize it was most likely my own shortcoming.. but it was a very spontaneous shot of an animal 'kissing' my girlfriend, and nobody was interested in waiting. She stepped between the camera and the animal by accident, and the guy with the food couldn't have cared less about my getting a shot.. I had to move around and shoot.. gf1 didn't af fast enough. Â I had a dslr with me and was able to get another chance at it later. It's the ONLY situation I've ever been in where the gf1 didn't cut it.. and tbh, if I had set the gf-1 focus outside of center or spot. it probably would have worked ok. I don't think the x1 face detection or multipoint would have nabbed it, but I could be wrong. Â This was the first trip I didn't take the x1 along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 15, 2011 Share #40  Posted February 15, 2011 JS, To digress while picking up the B&W UV Haze filter for my Nikkpor I came across an M8 that looks pristine new (black). Its serial number is "310****" is it the earlier or later batches? Asking price US$2,600...quite expensive IMO but looks completely new and claimed 10,000+actuations.  What do you think?  CJ  CJ, I am considering one with < 2000 clicks that is $2200 shipped.. though I think I'll just keep saving for the m9. I'll direct you to the seller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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