Sixstring Posted February 8, 2011 Share #1 Posted February 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, as I moved further into the realm of scanning (still using a cheap epson V350 with silverfast), I kind of have the feeling that I consistently get better results using one film type over the other one. I shoot b&w (develop myself) and color negative on a 50/50 basis. I convert the color negs to b&w in PS. Both converted color neg & bw neg receive further treatment in that same PS obviously. Now, I know my preference (is it really a preference?... it's different anyway) but I was wondering if some amongst you here with a longer lasting and more profound scanning experience can see the differences between the four pics I post in this thread. Two are shot with Fuji Reala and two are shot with Ilford HP5. Apart from the fact that it's perhaps not fair to compare different film sensitivities, are there some aspects in these 4 pics which will not fool the discerned eye? So experts in the matter, please enlighten me with your knowledge ;-) Which pictures were shot with color neg film and which were shot with b&w film. Thanks on forehand for your efforts and the very best to ya'll Wetzlar freaks!! ;-) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143643-bw-negative-or-c41-color-negative/?do=findComment&comment=1582381'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Hi Sixstring, Take a look here B&W negative or C41 color negative?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
earleygallery Posted February 9, 2011 Share #2 Posted February 9, 2011 I would say 2 and 4 are the 'real' B&W film. It's easier to scan can C41 as you can use digital ICE, but I prefer the look (grain) of some silver films. If I'm using C41, I tend to use colour film for more convenience and convert those images I want to B&W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted February 10, 2011 Share #3 Posted February 10, 2011 I thought 1 and 4 are b&w film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted February 10, 2011 Share #4 Posted February 10, 2011 I have no idea - they all look quite competent to me. Sixstring, which ones do you like best? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted February 11, 2011 Share #5 Posted February 11, 2011 I have the feeling the difference between grain and cloud structure are lost in the resolution possible to be posted in the forum. Also, in my experience, colour filtering can give a film a more "classic" or "C41-based" look. Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.M Posted February 11, 2011 Share #6 Posted February 11, 2011 I also think 1 and 4 are real black and white . http://www.etiennemichiels.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.M Posted February 11, 2011 Share #7 Posted February 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I also think 1 and 4 are real black and white . Etienne Michiels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted February 11, 2011 Share #8 Posted February 11, 2011 I think 2 is color, and I suspect that 3 is also. A fun game - but like others said, online images are hard to judge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 12, 2011 Share #9 Posted February 12, 2011 Another vote for 1 and 4 being scans from silver (B&W) rather than dye negatives. There's a hardness to the tonalities that screams "silver particles" even at web size. Purely a matter of taste (also lighting and other factors), but I'd say the "ship's captain" has the nicest tonality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 12, 2011 Share #10 Posted February 12, 2011 Dunno, but I'd like to know what lens was used for #4. I am just guessing that it is an ASPH. The bokeh is horrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 13, 2011 Share #11 Posted February 13, 2011 Betcha it was a 50 'cron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixstring Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted February 13, 2011 @Adan: you got that right, it's a 50 cron version 2 (rigid). This lens does seem to have a busy background blur depending on the subject's structure though. #1 was shot with that same lens. I have the feeling the blur is less disturbing in that one. #2 & #3 were shot with a 35 cron. Anyway, back to the original thread then. You guys seem to favor #1 and #4 as being BW film. 1 & 4 are actually Fuji Reala and 2 & 3 are shot with HP5. I don't prefer one over the other. I do somehow have the impression that C41 has higher scans results overall, as also stated by earleygallery, as if it has higher acutance. I also feel that, in general, I need less post processing with c41 to achieve the results I'm after than with BW. Dunno... I guess I'm slightly in favor of color C41 film. Gives you, well... color, and also decent bw conversions. Best of both worlds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted February 13, 2011 Share #13 Posted February 13, 2011 Really interesting. I actually do prefer 1 and 4 over the 'real' b&w shots. Wonder if that would hold true with prints, or if this is simply an online jpeg effect? Thanks for a cool test anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 16, 2011 Share #14 Posted February 16, 2011 Interesting, at least I was 50% correct! It would indeed be interesting to do the same exercise with prints - I'm sure the difference between a silver neg/silver print, and C41 and print would be more marked - but it demonstrates how good a digital conversion from a colour negative can be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 16, 2011 Share #15 Posted February 16, 2011 Hi The decision could be based on can you tell on a low resolution JPEG if that is all you wanted to do. But if you want to silver print the retained silver negative or C41 mono without color mask is easier to wet print, compared to a C41 color, unless you have a enlarger which will wet print digital images. It is a lot easier to scan C41 film than retained silver. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deirdre Posted February 18, 2011 Share #16 Posted February 18, 2011 1 & 4 are actually Fuji Reala and 2 & 3 are shot with HP5. I prefer 2 & 3 but was also fooled into thinking 1 & 4 were b&w film. Fun question, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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