WarriorJazz Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share #21 Posted February 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry your M8 has given you headaches. My M8.2 has been fine but two M7s have been real headaches. Given your questions and that you may be trading in a M8 I have to ask why not a MP? As to viewfinder given a focus on 35mm - how about a .58? cHRIS Hi Chris, I would love to own a MP, bit these are too expensive for me. Don't if somebody would trade a MP for a secondhand M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WarriorJazz Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share #22 Posted February 8, 2011 .72 was the most common and works well with 35/50/90. .58 i s better for eyeglass wearers who use wide lenses, but the image is smaller making it not so good for longer lenses. .85 is close to M3 and works for 50/90/135. The bigger the magnification, the the more the widest frames are put close the edge making them difficult to see. Eye glasses make it worse. Late M4 P and M6 models have a cheapened VF and the is occasional flare and the RF patch disappears making focusing impossible. You can bring the vf up to modern or the original standards for money. You can focus under these rare conditions if you rotate the camera, focus, recompose. How long film is viable is anybodys guess. Film sales keeps going down. Thanks. Sounds like the 0.72x is the one for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share #23 Posted February 8, 2011 Have no worry film is not going anywhere. The great thing thing about getting a Leica film camera is the wide varity of camera's availible on the used market. Perhaps I have been lucky but in my experience, the Leica film M have been completly and %100 reliable. However people are catching on and I have noticed that many that have dumped there film M for the M8/M9 , have re-bought there Lecia Film M. I don't see the prices going down any time soon. I have had four Leica Film and the M6 was the only one I have sold/traded. It just want for me. it wasnt the view finder I just prefer the M3/M7/MP. You said you prefered the 35 mm on your M8 so you might consider looking at the 50 mm for film. Best of luck Gregory I have owned a M4-p prior to the M8. Loved it but I had to sell it to finance a lens. I always shot with 35mm even with film. I might get a 50mm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share #24 Posted February 8, 2011 I think I'm convinced to get a m6 classic! I'm going to return m8 and get back into film! Time to dust off the bulk loader and load some film :-). First I'll try to find a store around here were they sell them with warranty. New links and tips are welcome! About the film is dead thing: I spoke to a film importer and he told me that 60% of all pro photographers in The Netherlands and Germany still use film. :-) film will always excist, but I think the big companies are going to focus more on the digital consumer market. One of the reasons of going back to film has to do with the fact that I shoot differently. I feel I choose my shots more carefully despite the amount of film I carrying. It's almost a religious experience. I missed that feeling with digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted February 8, 2011 Share #25 Posted February 8, 2011 We still live on film (sales), so do not worry about availability of film. But to be honest: I am selling more roll film then 35mm so this format (6x4,5cm - 6x9cm) seems to be very popular. Especially the M.F. Range Finder camera's and smaller compacts are attractive. Also the TLR types. In 35mm there is still a lot of choice. And if you want it cheaper you can always go to bulk 30,5m/100ft. Cheapest offer: Rollei Retro 100 / APX 100, exp. 1/2012 Eur. 1,80. Actual cheapest production films: RPX 100/400 or Fomapan 100/T200/400. The mentioned Arista brand (also Foma) is available in the USA only. Special films: A lot. IR, Ortho, Orthopan, Micro films etc. Resolutions over 400lp/mm which can compete very easily with digital. Best regards, Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 8, 2011 Share #26 Posted February 8, 2011 If you are going to consider using bulk the later M6 need a replaced baseplate latch to operate IXMOO. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted February 8, 2011 Share #27 Posted February 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not an opinion, but that is what Kodak reported. I personally hope film will not go away, but understand the economics of film production. They can`t make a profit on 10,000 rolls a year. As far as sales of 120, I can believe a whole lot of pros can not afford to switch to $100,000 digi systems. Look at 35 mm film sales. Look at the pricing of used Hasselblad V system stuff. I do believe Hassy does not make it anymore. Film will be there a while yet, but time is limited. I might finally get to try Hassy again, but honestly full frame Nikon does as well as film 120 film. You simply need to learn some new skills to get the same as before. Sales have been going down since the introduction of digital. I work with a pro lab for wedding and event photographers. Their film developing is way down. Their enlargers are gone also. I have not seen a wedding photog use film in recent years. Last one I went to, they were uploading to a site while the reception was still taking place. As far as a digital M9, I think yes, then no, then yes, then no, then I read about red edges and sensors with lines and how cameras are trashed if they get a little wet and I worry about specalized batteries required. and the fact they are repairable by nobody but Leica. I have to admit, when I tried one, the files were phenomimal. Sharper than Nikon digi by a mile, at the expense of occasional moire`which is death to a fashion shooter, only annoying to a reporter or landscape guy. So I have not sold any film Leicas, but days are numbered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted February 8, 2011 Share #28 Posted February 8, 2011 I dumped digital despite having a Nikon D700 and pro lenses. Trouble was it was so big I never used it. Also, it was so good it was boring. My first film Leica was the M6 Classic. I found the viewfinder did flare often but I largely solved the problem with the sticky-tape trick. Tobey must surely be right that film sales are and will continue to dwindle. We must live for the moment and enjoy film whilst we can. My hope is that sales will plateau at a level that is still of interest to manufacturers. If it ever becomes financially untenable for me to continue with film I'll at the very least have my lovely mechanical Leicas sitting on the mantlepiece as ornaments full of memories. By then I would have bought an M10 which hopefully has the Nikon D2x sensor and processing Don't forget that returning to film can introduce other problems (like home scanning). You've got to enjoy the journey but it's worth travelling. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted February 8, 2011 Share #29 Posted February 8, 2011 Not an opinion, but that is what Kodak reported. I personally hope film will not go away, but understand the economics of film production. They can`t make a profit on 10,000 rolls a year. That's valid for a multinational like Kodak and Fuji. But I can assure you that a small company like Efke, Foma, Rollei-Maco CAN produce with profit and a reasonable price 10.000 rolls for one batch. In fact they are doing it already because special films like IR, Micro, Ortho and Orthopan films have been always a niche market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 8, 2011 Share #30 Posted February 8, 2011 They can`t make a profit on 10,000 rolls a year. 10K rolls a year? Where did you find that number? . [...] but honestly full frame Nikon does as well as film 120 film. You must be joking. My primary film is 120 in 6x6 ('blad), 6x9 (Plaubel Veriwide, Super Ikonta), 6x12 (SW w/35mm Grandagon) & Super Technika 4x5 w/rollfilm back.) If you wish to put up a comparison to FF digital, please feel free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steinzeug Posted February 8, 2011 Share #31 Posted February 8, 2011 I think I'm convinced to get a m6 classic! I'm going to return m8 and get back into film! Time to dust off the bulk loader and load some film :-). First I'll try to find a store around here were they sell them with warranty. New links and tips are welcome! About the film is dead thing: I spoke to a film importer and he told me that 60% of all pro photographers in The Netherlands and Germany still use film. :-) film will always excist, but I think the big companies are going to focus more on the digital consumer market. One of the reasons of going back to film has to do with the fact that I shoot differently. I feel I choose my shots more carefully despite the amount of film I carrying. It's almost a religious experience. I missed that feeling with digital. Good Choice! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143528-might-dump-digital/?do=findComment&comment=1581814'>More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted February 8, 2011 Share #32 Posted February 8, 2011 About bulk: You can re-load the old Fomapan cassettes (DX coded too, E.I. 100-200-400) and the actual Efke cassettes (E.I. 100 DX), Efke 25 none DX. For short films it's even more easy to do it by hand. Put a small end of Tesa tape around the spool. You can use a cassette several times. load bulk Even with a relativly cheap Efke 25 film you can have great results when a Leica optic is used: Efke 25 in Beutler A+B 1+1+10 7:00 minutes, Leica M7 + Summarit 2,5/75mm. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143528-might-dump-digital/?do=findComment&comment=1581818'>More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted February 8, 2011 Share #33 Posted February 8, 2011 Same film, same lens: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143528-might-dump-digital/?do=findComment&comment=1581820'>More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted February 8, 2011 Share #34 Posted February 8, 2011 And to see some difference in 6x7cm R.F. format: Rollei Retro 100 TONAL (also Orthopan) with the C.V. Bessa III 667. E.I. 80 Developer AM74/RHS 1+9. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143528-might-dump-digital/?do=findComment&comment=1581823'>More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted February 8, 2011 Share #35 Posted February 8, 2011 Same film (TONAL) but in 35mm again: M7 + Summicron 2,0/50mm Developer CG-512/RLS 1+4 an Ultra Fine Grain type: E.I. 50. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143528-might-dump-digital/?do=findComment&comment=1581824'>More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 8, 2011 Share #36 Posted February 8, 2011 Sharper than Nikon digi by a mile, at the expense of occasional moire`which is death to a fashion shooter, only annoying to a reporter or landscape guy. Think Leica are leaving you the option to use an anti alias filter or not? Load the RAW file into laptop, process it if you need to, email it. Donno why lots of the dcameras include it... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted February 8, 2011 Share #37 Posted February 8, 2011 Looking at the quoted passages from tobey bilek, I'm afraid my personal opinion is that what we have is a digital troll masquerading as a film user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 8, 2011 Share #38 Posted February 8, 2011 On Bulk Loaders - The Watson 66-B loader will open and close Leica (and Nikon) cassettes so that one has perfect, open gate loading. No friction, no scratches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share #39 Posted February 8, 2011 On Bulk Loaders - The Watson 66-B loader will open and close Leica (and Nikon) cassettes so that one has perfect, open gate loading. No friction, no scratches. Ahhh I got that exact one! I bought it for a few euro's at a garage sale. What about those cassettes? I have a bag full of empty canisters (metal ones) and I remember that some use to scratch the film. Are the plastic one better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted February 8, 2011 Share #40 Posted February 8, 2011 I think I'm convinced to get a m6 classic! I'm going to return m8 and get back into film! Time to dust off the bulk loader and load some film :-). First I'll try to find a store around here were they sell them with warranty. New links and tips are welcome! Where are you located? We could suggest some stores for you... I can recommend a couple in the US, but I have a feeling that you aren't located here. As much as I like Tri-X, be sure to try out a couple rolls of the new T-Max 400. It's pretty amazing for a 400 speed film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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