k-hawinkler Posted February 5, 2011 Share #21 Posted February 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ahh - you're talking about 'A' mode.. i'm being even more basic and saying - in regular exposure lock - in full manual - does the dot in the centre (the big dot not the little ones in 'a' mode) lock or does it still continue to meter even though you have the SB partially pressed? Interesting. As I understand we have 3 parameters to set: • ISO • aperture or f-number • shutter speed So, I just tried the following: ISO is variable, aperture and shutter speed are fixed, shutter speed at 125. So, no matter what I do, keep the SB half way pressed or not, every image is taken with shutter speed 125, ISO varies wildly, of course, aperture is fixed as well. Does this get to your question? Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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satureyes Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share #22 Posted February 5, 2011 Right - seems like there's a few answers to a few different questions! Also - I have read the manual. I read it before I got the camera - and I read it twice after I had it. I think I will try again - now - Exposure lock. As I understand it - you point the exposure meter at the source you want to meter - press the SB a little bit. This locks the exposure and then you compose the shot you want (whilst keeping the button pressed) and then press it fully. Done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 5, 2011 Share #23 Posted February 5, 2011 Right - seems like there's a few answers to a few different questions!Also - I have read the manual. I read it before I got the camera - and I read it twice after I had it. I think I will try again - now - Exposure lock. As I understand it - you point the exposure meter at the source you want to meter - press the SB a little bit. This locks the exposure and then you compose the shot you want (whilst keeping the button pressed) and then press it fully. Done That's the way I use it on my Nikons. The M9 works similarly if you have the menu items set as Rick and A on the top dial, I believe. I think it doesn't work if you have set "discr. & soft" or something like that. I just tried it out. Seems to work as I described. K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share #24 Posted February 5, 2011 Rick, Thanks. By I rotate the dial you mean the dial in the back of the camera, next to the screen, right? Best, K-H. Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share #25 Posted February 5, 2011 Ahh - you're talking about 'A' mode.. i'm being even more basic and saying - in regular exposure lock - in full manual - does the dot in the centre (the big dot not the little ones in 'a' mode) lock or does it still continue to meter even though you have the SB partially pressed? Forget manual mode. Manual is manual. The only thing that you can do is change the exposure compensation. Exposure compensation in manual mode is done the same way I described for "A" mode. EXCEPT, the bottom dot does not blink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 5, 2011 Share #26 Posted February 5, 2011 Correct. Rick, Thanks. Your described sequence of steps works just fine for me. I learned something new. Great. So, I now can expose as follows: • A • manual • Rick's procedure • set exposure, keep SB halfway pressed, recompose, SB completely down. (works only for certain settings) Is there another way? Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share #27 Posted February 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Exposure lock. As I understand it - you point the exposure meter at the source you want to meter - press the SB a little bit. This locks the exposure and then you compose the shot you want (whilst keeping the button pressed) and then press it fully. Done Correct. Keep the SB pressed past the first click while you recompose. It really does work quite well and you are probably not the only one who has yet to utilize this great and simple feature. I love it for quick "A" mode shooting. K-hawinkler, a lot of us also just get our best exposure starting in "A" mode and then use manual mode to hold that exposure or to tweak it using the histogram. Once we know the highlight and we can figure the shade is about 3-4 stops over that. This is a general rule and is lifted from the sunny 16 rule. Chris Dearing, where are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelagia Posted February 5, 2011 Share #28 Posted February 5, 2011 Rick the Satureyes, you posed an interesting question. It forced me to do some tests and I found a "bug". In the manual mode, when everything is fixed (including ISO), the exposure compensation is still shown in the the image info. I can not check it now, but I suppose that the compensation number would be written to EXIF as well. In this case, without being applied in fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share #29 Posted February 5, 2011 I can't believe I've just 'discovered' this -but I still dont know what I've found - It's back to the question - in MANUAL mode - no A and no Snapshot - When you lock exposure - then recompose - does the viewfinder show the exposure meter changing - or locked in the position it was in when you pressed the SB to the 1st stage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 5, 2011 Share #30 Posted February 5, 2011 Correct. Keep the SB pressed past the first click while you recompose. It really does work quite well and you are probably not the only one who has yet to utilize this great and simple feature. I love it for quick "A" mode shooting. K-hawinkler, a lot of us also just get our best exposure starting in "A" mode and then use manual mode to hold that exposure or to tweak it using the histogram. Once we know the highlight and we can figure the shade is about 3-4 stops over that. This is a general rule and is lifted from the sunny 16 rule. Chris Dearing, where are you? Rick, Many thanks. After reading about this on the forum here, that's the way I have been doing it for quite some time now. Seems to work fine. In fact, I have been using this way on my Nikons with centered instead of matrix metering. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted February 5, 2011 Share #31 Posted February 5, 2011 I can't believe I've just 'discovered' this -but I still dont know what I've found - It's back to the question - in MANUAL mode - no A and no Snapshot - When you lock exposure - then recompose - does the viewfinder show the exposure meter changing - or locked in the position it was in when you pressed the SB to the 1st stage? Manual is manual. That's it. End of story - as far as I am concerned. The rest of the Exif data isn 't necessarily correct either, aperture used, and I typically forget to set manually the correct lens info. Oh well. K -H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelagia Posted February 5, 2011 Share #32 Posted February 5, 2011 in MANUAL mode - no A and no Snapshot - When you lock exposure - then recompose - does the viewfinder show the exposure meter changing - or locked in the position it was in when you pressed the SB to the 1st stage? In manual mode - as I see it - the exposure meter changes when you recompose, regardless of half-press lock. But it does not affect any function (shutter speed, or ISO. Obviously not the aperture). In my opinion, it is very handy that you can monitor the change of exposure meter in order to estimate it in comparison to manual settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share #33 Posted February 5, 2011 In manual mode - as I see it - the exposure meter changes when you recompose, regardless of half-press lock. But it does not affect any function (shutter speed, or ISO. Obviously not the aperture). In my opinion, it is very handy that you can monitor the change of exposure meter in order to estimate it in comparison to manual settings. So there is NO exposure locking in Manual mode at all? or there IS but it doesn't show you in the viewfinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share #34 Posted February 5, 2011 Rick the Satureyes, you posed an interesting question. It forced me to do some tests and I found a "bug". In the manual mode, when everything is fixed (including ISO), the exposure compensation is still shown in the the image info. I can not check it now, but I suppose that the compensation number would be written to EXIF as well. In this case, without being applied in fact. Exposure compensation (EC) should be showing in the info information when in "A" or manual mode. The only thing that is different is that the bottom light doesn't blink in manual mode. This seems to be the only incongruity to me between the two modes when using EC. No bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share #35 Posted February 5, 2011 So there is NO exposure locking in Manual mode at all? or there IS but it doesn't show you in the viewfinder? The exposure is locked in manual mode... by the exposure dial. But, no, the exposure doesn't show in the finder. I think this is done to keep the clutter to a minimum. This has been discussed before and if we continue it will turn this thread into a thread about how poor the information display is implemented by Leica in the crappy LED display. Next, Z will come out of the woodworks and he will go on and on about how the finder info display could be improved by Leica. He'd probably say that for this amount of money we should expect more from Leica. Then, I'd have to agree with him. And, I don't want to have to do that. So, let's not go there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelagia Posted February 5, 2011 Share #36 Posted February 5, 2011 Rick the Satureyes, I do not understand why do you need this. The manual mode IS LOCKED by definition. Manual is manual is manual. Rick the Leica, maybe you misunderstood me. I mean that the compensation number is shown in the info panel of the camera. And probably in the EXIF. But in fact was not applied in the manual mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted February 5, 2011 Share #37 Posted February 5, 2011 So there is NO exposure locking in Manual mode at all? or there IS but it doesn't show you in the viewfinder? Err .... did you read my post..... satureyes and satirise seem pretty similar to me.... is this becoming a wind up me old fruit ?? :D:D:D: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted February 5, 2011 Share #38 Posted February 5, 2011 What Satureyes is getting at, is whether the left arrow/dot/right arrow display will move from it's position when you hold down the SB halfway and recompose (say, left arrow plus dot = under exposed by half a stop) , to the new setting (dot plus RH arrow = plus a half stop). Even though the taking exposure, by the fact it is manually set, stays at minus half. As has been said, manual is manual, and there is no exposure lock in this case. The meter display will change, it's up to you to decide the amount of compensation required. left arrow on it's own = more than or equal to one stop underexposed. If it shows left arrow and the dot, that is half a stop under, so close down one click on the lens from there, and you know it is one stop under. If you want any more than one stop, use an external meter or count the clicks! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 6, 2011 Share #39 Posted February 6, 2011 Rick the Satureyes, I do not understand why do you need this. The manual mode IS LOCKED by definition. Manual is manual is manual. Rick the Leica, maybe you misunderstood me. I mean that the compensation number is shown in the info panel of the camera. And probably in the EXIF. But in fact was not applied in the manual mode. I see what you are saying. Yes, it should not show the EC in the info panel. EC is not available in manual, of course. As you(we) said, manual is manual. I think you have discovered a "bug" that Leica should know about. They need to un-program that from the info panel when in manual. It probably should not show up when in manual because, it obviously doesn't change the manual exposure! You get a gold star today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_W Posted February 6, 2011 Share #40 Posted February 6, 2011 Great discussion here. Before I read the thread everything was clear for me. Now I have more questions than answers ... I have to check tomorrow by myself... Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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