pico Posted September 18, 2012 Share #321 Posted September 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Are you sure it won't come close? This 2002 article on Luminous Landscape compared 35mm digital very favorably with 6x7 film: State-of-the-Art 35mm Digital Vs. Medium Format Film [... actually, he concluded there was no longer any advantage to shooting medium format film]. In the ten years since then, 35mm digital has gotten just a little better. So what doe he know? His is just another opinion. And of course, he is promoting digital. Here is my opinion: he is full of shit. I would put up any of my MF prints (in that loser wet darkroom thing) to any digital print he can make with a single frame in FF digital camera. Live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted September 18, 2012 Share #322 Posted September 18, 2012 >EVF>"Finally the adequate solution" Are you kidding me? Add to that the necessity to buy an M10. What is an M10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantice Posted September 18, 2012 Share #323 Posted September 18, 2012 The email news draw me back, yee Take the AA filter off then you'll see how they do on a high-resoultion camera.........I'm on the same page. Yep, just ordered 5D3 to keep using R. I'll willing to adapt M if they solve a fundamental problem - aperture control (no more step-down metering/focusing). Looks like I'll love to hear more about the adapter itself but I doubt it has it. No offensive to those who love other features, but rest of them are just not my type IMO. With my crappy skill two lenses is enough to keep me busy (stepping down), but I'm looking forward for my 3rd collection - 60 macro, 90 AA, 28V2 or 70-180 zoom... yummy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted September 18, 2012 Share #324 Posted September 18, 2012 I'll take the R8/9 OVF any day, though for stationary subjects (wildlife, landscapes) ..... Lawrence Hey Lawrence, what planet do your wildlife come from? Here on Earth they move around like crazy. Which leads to a serious question to those with EFV experience (Leica EFV even more so). What sort of latency are we likely to experience with the M10 (that's what I'll be calling it) EFV? Did I miss the answer to the 'How Much?' question? Looks like I might have to crank up my Delivery Register map again. Link below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 18, 2012 Share #325 Posted September 18, 2012 Which leads to a serious question to those with EFV experience (Leica EFV even more so). What sort of latency are we likely to experience with the M10 (that's what I'll be calling it) EFV? A very important question for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 18, 2012 Share #326 Posted September 18, 2012 Yep, just ordered 5D3 to keep using R. Might be better off with a 6D instead. The viewfinder seems to use the same focussing screens as the 5DII and is better suited for manual focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantice Posted September 18, 2012 Share #327 Posted September 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Might be better off with a 6D instead. The viewfinder seems to use the same focussing screens as the 5DII and is better suited for manual focus. :eek:Oh my - just can't keep up the offering these days... Gosh I need to do some research, but it seems like fps is slower, which may be a bummer when I use Canon telephoto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 18, 2012 Share #328 Posted September 18, 2012 So what doe he know? His is just another opinion. And of course, he is promoting digital. Here is my opinion: he is full of shit. I would put up any of my MF prints (in that loser wet darkroom thing) to any digital print he can make with a single frame in FF digital camera Did you look at the photos? It may be an opinion, but he is showing you the empirical evidence behind that opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted September 18, 2012 Share #329 Posted September 18, 2012 ............. (in that loser wet darkroom thing) ........... Do you ever step back and read what you are about to post, Pico? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaman94044 Posted September 18, 2012 Share #330 Posted September 18, 2012 Hey Rick, The same planet as that bird below your name on all of your posts! If he's moving around like crazy I'm missing something. Lawrence Hey Lawrence, what planet do your wildlife come from? Here on Earth they move around like crazy. Which leads to a serious question to those with EFV experience (Leica EFV even more so). What sort of latency are we likely to experience with the M10 (that's what I'll be calling it) EFV? Did I miss the answer to the 'How Much?' question? Looks like I might have to crank up my Delivery Register map again. Link below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted September 18, 2012 Share #331 Posted September 18, 2012 Hey Rick,The same planet as that bird below your name on all of your posts! If he's moving around like crazy I'm missing something. Lawrence Aw C'mon! That little Flame Robin and his friends were zipping around like nutters. Split second shooting! Even 200 milliseconds latency in an EVF would be a problem, making some bird photography just too hard. I'd be better off with an S2 and an R adapter. Or a 5D III. Which makes me think, how do the M10 video specs stack up against 5D II or III? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 18, 2012 Share #332 Posted September 18, 2012 The solution is called M Not quite. I have that EVF on my wife's Olympus XZ1, and I would not trust it to focus long lenses. The M will be fine on a tripod with Live View and focus peaking, but less so on a monopod, beanbag or handheld with the EViso. aka Olympus EV2. It could be that Olympus might introduce an OLED EV3 at some point, which, if retro-compatible, could change the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 18, 2012 Share #333 Posted September 18, 2012 It would be interesting to count up just how many current and legacy lenses are compatible with the (new) M when considering R, M, and screw mount formats. Pete. For starters – all R-Lenses supported in the menu of the Leica M: Super-elmarit-r 15mm f/2.8; elmarit-r 19mmf/2.8; elmarit-r 28mm f/2.8; Summilux-r 35mm f/1.4; Summicron-r 35mm f/2; Summicron-r 50mm f/2;Summilux-r 50mm f/1.4; macro-elmarit-r 60mm f/2.8; Summilux-r 80mm f/1.4; Summicron-r 90mm f/2;apo-macro-elmarit-r 100mm f/2.8; apo-Telyt-r 180mm f/3.4; apo-elmarit-r 180mm f/2.8; apo-Summicron-r 180mmf/2; apo-Telyt-r 280mm f/4; Vario-elmar-r 21–35mm f/3.5-4; Vario-elmar-r 28–70mm f/3.5-4.5; Vario-elmar-r35–70mm f/4; Vario-elmarit-r 28–90mm f/2.8-4.5; Vario-apo-elmarit-r 70–180mm f/2.8; Vario-elmar-r 80–200mm f/4. What's interesting is the lens EXIF data is also read by the M-R adapter so it must power and interrogate the lens ROM. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 18, 2012 Share #334 Posted September 18, 2012 Not quite. I have that EVF on my wife's Olympus XZ1, and I would not trust it to focus long lenses. The M will be fine on a tripod with Live View and focus peaking, but less so on a monopod, beanbag or handheld with the EViso. aka Olympus EV2.It could be that Olympus might introduce an OLED EV3 at some point, which, if retro-compatible, could change the game. 1+ It would be far fetched if by some sort of Leica magic manual R lens becomes fully functional on digital RF only dedicated R camera could do do that and still remain short of AF. The way I see it for static subject shooting with R lens M10 will be more than adequate functionally, picture quality wise we shall find out but than Leica glass hardly ever dissapoints. For dynamic shooting Ca-Ni-Sony DSLR with native AF lens is probably better option for average user, or take a master class with Doug Herr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 18, 2012 Share #335 Posted September 18, 2012 If there were a full-frame, APS-H or even APS-C camera of the general level of the OM-D I would happily use that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 18, 2012 Share #336 Posted September 18, 2012 Do you ever step back and read what you are about to post, Pico? Either you're missing his irony or I'm missing yours! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcentsale Posted September 18, 2012 Share #337 Posted September 18, 2012 So the "R Solution" is an almost $8,000 (with everything you'll need) M body with live view and available shoe mount viewfinder. You can't even use the ME. Seems to me like a giant "Eff You" to R users, when for 1/4 the cost you can get products from other manufacturers in an SLR form factor, so an OVF, that will take just as good a picture, since you'll still be using Leica lenses. Looks like I'll be ordering that 5D MKII after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted September 18, 2012 Share #338 Posted September 18, 2012 As I posted before, the plethora of inexpensive R bodies is my solution to using R lenses. I happen to like film too. I hate Canons, they just don't work with me and never have. Nikon DSLRs are not much better and I ditched them all four years ago. Using an M body for large R lenses just seems odd to me. Nothing fits the R lenses like R bodies. I am hoping to finally obtain an R8/R9...the DMR is just not going to happen for financial reasons. Yeah, yeah, I will be stuck with film but like I said, I like film. For me, it is either ergonomics and aesthetics combined (R bodies are the closest to that) or nothing. Maybe we can hope for a mini-S one day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted September 18, 2012 Share #339 Posted September 18, 2012 For starters – all R-Lenses supported in the menu of the Leica M: Super-elmarit-r 15mm f/2.8; elmarit-r 19mmf/2.8; elmarit-r 28mm f/2.8; Summilux-r 35mm f/1.4; Summicron-r 35mm f/2; Summicron-r 50mm f/2;Summilux-r 50mm f/1.4; macro-elmarit-r 60mm f/2.8; Summilux-r 80mm f/1.4; Summicron-r 90mm f/2;apo-macro-elmarit-r 100mm f/2.8; apo-Telyt-r 180mm f/3.4; apo-elmarit-r 180mm f/2.8; apo-Summicron-r 180mmf/2; apo-Telyt-r 280mm f/4; Vario-elmar-r 21–35mm f/3.5-4; Vario-elmar-r 28–70mm f/3.5-4.5; Vario-elmar-r35–70mm f/4; Vario-elmarit-r 28–90mm f/2.8-4.5; Vario-apo-elmarit-r 70–180mm f/2.8; Vario-elmar-r 80–200mm f/4. What's interesting is the lens EXIF data is also read by the M-R adapter so it must power and interrogate the lens ROM. Bob. What, no module lenses? Are they trying to tell us something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted September 18, 2012 Share #340 Posted September 18, 2012 What is an M10? I heard it's a camera Leica will soon release; not worth it if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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