Anyone else tempted to trade X1 for an X100?

[jsrockit]

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Looks like the X1 has no competitor to me in terms of IQ/size equation.

 

The Sony NEX is the only thing close in size ... with the 16mm lens anyway. Unfortunately, the IQ and user-freindliness are not close (with said lens).

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[gar1013]

For starters, the X100 has an internal optical viewfinder unlike my X1.

 

THEN . . . nothing could possibly be slower than the X1 -- err, maybe Mathew Brady juggling his wet plates on the battlefields of 1863.

 

If rumored X1 FW release 2.0 doesn't fly, I will . . . to the nearest Fuji source for the X100.

 

(Ricoh GXR an option? No, I never buy a camera from a copier company.)

 

-g

 

I find the external viewfinder to do a fine job... here's the thing: it seems like EVERY camera on the market that I looked at had something that I didn't like. At the end of the day, it was autofocus speed on the X1, but that's something that can be corrected via software. The question to ask is what will be the issue with the X100 that we haven't guessed yet.

[jsrockit]

here's the thing: it seems like EVERY camera on the market that I looked at had something that I didn't like. .... The question to ask is what will be the issue with the X100 that we haven't guessed yet.

 

Yep, that is the key question. What will be its shortcoming and can you live with it. So far, the X1 is closest for me in a compact. If they make the AF faster, the camera will be perhaps my favorite ever.

 

However, the Fuji looks like it could be something I would use over my M8 if delivered as promised. I find it to be like a cross between the X1 and M digitals. That's appealing to me.

[harryliem]

I'm sorry, but the overall slowness of my X1 continues to severely disappoint.

 

Haven't handled the Fuji X100 yet but if Leica firmware 2.0 doesn't speed up this lil' puppy, I'll be sorely tempted by the Fuji X100 when it finally arrives in the States next Spring.

 

Anyone else having the same thought?

 

-g

 

Check this website:

 

Fujifilm's FinePix X100 ships March 2011 for $1,000, we go hands-on (update: video!) -- Engadget

[ChiILX1]

JS,

 

the X100 compared to the X1 is a lot taller, a bit thicker and wider, and much heavier. That 20% or so is a dealbreaker for me. I want the absolute smallest. Altho thanks for the GXR size comparison, that thing is larger than I thought. Looks like the X1 has no competitor to me in terms of IQ/size equation.

 

I can comfortably fit the X1 in a coat pocket or my baggy jeans pocket, no way the X100 will fit nicely.

 

Don't you have a viewfinder? Makes the X1 a bit taller...

 

They both would fit in a winter coat pocket. That's sweet.

 

The concept of a pocket is arbitrary. There is a shirt pocket for your nano, a jean pocket for your portable, a jacket pocket for your X1 and a coat pocket for almost an M

[Phenic]

The X1 is a great cam with great IQ for its size, but the X100 has the potential to be a greater cam. So yes, I will jump ship if the X100 proves to be better then the X1 to me although admittedly I will miss having a Leica cam.

[r28551]

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I bought an ext viewfinder for my X1 and I never use it. I find the Leica's EVF perfect. It's only needed for framing and focus and therefore it's lower rez nature isn't a problem.

 

I have found that for discreet street photography holding a camera to one's eye draws attention. Holding the camera out from my body makes it look like a P&S and by looking intently at an object behind my subject I can provide sufficient level of 'misdirection' to keep my subject from thinking that I'm shooting them.

 

Regarding the slow AF - I haven't found this to be an issue. I won't complain about it being faster, but I wouldn't change camera's for faster AF.

 

The only feature I would change for is interchangeable lenses. Because I'm limited to a 35mm equivalent lens, I often take my 5DM2 with me just in case. Kinda defeating the purpose IMO

[ravinj]

Check this website:

 

Fujifilm's FinePix X100 ships March 2011 for $1,000, we go hands-on (update: video!) -- Engadget

 

"Hands on" with a camera that has no sensor and half the controls not working?

[nigelb]

"Hands on" with a camera that has no sensor and half the controls not working?

 

That link was old hat dated September - it will have a sensor by now.

[h00ligan]

I think the point is that so many people are lined up to preorder, and absolutely nothing about the 'demo' unit was finalized..the fact it had no sensor could mean size changes, weight difference, etc, etc, etc.

 

It may wind up being a fantastic camera, but who knows.. and elsewhere there still seems to be some confusion that this is a rangefinder camera, which clearly members here know is not true.

[grober]

It [the X100] may wind up being a fantastic camera, but who knows.. and elsewhere there still seems to be some confusion that this is a rangefinder camera, which clearly members here know is not true.

 

Not a rangefinder camera, true. Rather, the X100 is a viewfinder camera.

 

The X1 is a point 'n shoot camera to which a viewfinder can be added as an accessory.

 

-g

[dickgrafixstop]

we can all find something to like/dislike about any product offering. the only good news is

the digital product cycle is generally so short, major shortcomings can be corrected quickly and bigger/smaller, faster/slower, heavier/lighter, better image/worse image solutions are always temporary. me? I want an x1 sized, interchangeable lens, viewfinder based, metalic machined body, aps sized sensor (inexpensive :-) ) wondercamera (wunderkamera) - maybe a cx2?

[phancj]

Don't you have a viewfinder? Makes the X1 a bit taller...

 

They both would fit in a winter coat pocket. That's sweet.

 

The concept of a pocket is arbitrary. There is a shirt pocket for your nano, a jean pocket for your portable, a jacket pocket for your X1 and a coat pocket for almost an M

 

Nope, IMHO I do not see the X1 as needing an inactive VF..I use it as a P&S, a very good one. If it gets even a tad bigger I'll not want it. My priorities are very clear on what I want in a travel compact, and the X1 fits the bill for me perfectly. For other applications I use my DSLR. HAving said that my X1 is the most used. Goes to show the versatility of the 35mm.

[Guest malland]

I don't see why Leica shouldn't be able to speed up the AF on the X1 to the same degree that Ricoh Camera did with the GXR, since the sensor are similar if not the same. On the GXR A12-50mm (macro) camera unit the AF was slow and inaccurate in the sense that one often ended up not know on which plane of focus the camera had selected. I ended up using the AF to prefocus and then pressed one of the assignable function buttons to shift from AF to MF, but often one didn't know exactly where the camera focused. After the last firmware upgrade the A12-50mm camera unit was transformed: it's like using a completely different camera — fast and accurate AF. The same goes for the new A12-28mm camera unit.

 

On the X100, too soon to conclude anything — although I don't like the retro styling.

 

—Mitch/Bangkok

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[Ecaton]

I don't see why Leica shouldn't be able to speed up the AF on the X1 to the same degree that Ricoh Camera did with the GXR, since the sensor are similar if not the same. On the GXR A12-50mm (macro) camera unit the AF was slow and inaccurate in the sense that one often ended up not know on which plane of focus the camera had selected. I ended up using the AF to prefocus and then pressed one of the assignable function buttons to shift from AF to MF, but often one didn't know exactly where the camera focused. After the last firmware upgrade the A12-50mm camera unit was transformed: it's like using a completely different camera — fast and accurate AF. The same goes for the new A12-28mm camera unit.

 

On the X100, too soon to conclude anything — although I don't like the retro styling.

 

—Mitch/Bangkok

Paris au rythme de Basquiat (WIP)

 

+1

And considering that the A12 50mm equiv. is a macro lens, Leica should be able to improve the X'1's AF speed to at least the same level.

[pharyngula]

Maybe a slightly different take on the OP's question but I just ordered an X1 knowing full well about the X100. My primary concerns are IQ and low light sensitivity in a compact camera. I can live with sluggish AF and I prefer a fixed focal length equivalent of ~35mm for the way I shoot. And I'm getting it to complement my MP when traveling. The external viewfinder is a reasonable option for me.

 

With regard to the X100 vs X1:

 

In many ways the "performance" (e.g., AF, viewfinder, lag times) will very likely be better than the X1 but my wild guess is that the IQ won't best the X1. Of course, I could be wrong and the IQ might prove so irresistible that I'll eat my words.

 

From the web images posted, I don't really care for the way the X100 looks. It seems to be trying too hard to evoke nostalgia for some iconic RF - a "homage" camera if you will. Before I get criticised with "its just a tool" comments, I'd point out that Fujifilm is clearly investing a huge effort into its appearance and a quick glimpse at the web talk it has generated bears out how important this is. In fairness though, I haven't seen it or held it in person so I'll reserve judgment for now. Say what you will about the X1 but at the end of the day it simply packs a lot of IQ punch in a compact, minimalist package - its clean lines are easy on my eyes.

 

I do give Fuji credit for seeming to listen to "enthusiasts" and trying to jam in many of their desires - they must read lots of forums

 

My iphone works well enough for my video needs, LOL.

[Guest stnami]

I prefer a fixed focal length equivalent of ~35mm for the way I shoot

that's what the fuji lens is

[pharyngula]

True - not a reason to distinguish.

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[earleygallery]

From the web images posted, I don't really care for the way the X100 looks. It seems to be trying too hard to evoke nostalgia for some iconic RF - a "homage" camera if you will.

 

Or you could say they've taken a well tried and tested design, not unlike an M after all, and stuck with it. If it ain't broke don't fix it! Unlike the X1 and all the other similar point and shoots that dispose of a traditional viewfinder and aperture ring etc

[jsrockit]

The retro design is part of the appeal of the camera... it is a digital made like a camera not a consumer swiss army device.