D Lux 5 and LX 5

[Shootist]

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To those of you who have one, maybe one of you can help me. I've got my Canon SD870IS that has a wrist-strap, and which fits nicely into a belt-mounted carry pouch. I'd like to get something similar for my Paneica (or do I call it a Leicasonic?) I'll be at B&h tomorrow. Any recommendations as to what a good belt-mount carry-case might be? If it had room for a second battery, that would be even better, but not essential.

 

Also, what do I need to get to fit a filter in front of the lens? Is it the same adapter that is used for people who want to fit the wide-angle or tele lens accessories?

 

Have no idea about cases. I might look for one in the spring/summer but for now the camera fits in a vest/jacket pocket just fine and if need be into my denim front pocket. I had a wrist strap laying around so that is what I use. Neck strap got mounted then removed. Not long enough for the way I like to carry cameras, bandoleer style. Plus IMHO the camera is just to small for a neck strap.

 

Yes the same ring is used for both filters and wide lens. Look in the little (thin) basic operating manual near the back. It has all the accessories listed.

[Ecaton]

Is this discussion still ongoing? Amazing the desire of so many to explain and justify why they paid USD 800 for a small sensor camera. A price notably, at which remarkable pro-sumer level DSLRs kit lens(es) can be bought.

Why not just enjoying your Panasonic-manufactured-Leica labeled pricy small sensor cameras? They look great and are as good as small sensor cameras can be in 2010.

For the LX5 shooter, who still has some USD + 400 in the pocket, how about adding a used Sigma DP1/2 to the bag to enjoy the versatility of the LX5 on the one hand and the significantly better IQ of the Sigma on the other hand. And considering the used prices for the Sigma, there should still be some money left;)

[jjonsalt]

...the inner workings of the 2 cameras are exactly the same.

OK, true (as far as mechanics go), so what's the point? I never said otherwise. I only said they are not the same camera, also true.

[Ecaton]

Now there is proof that at least the EVFs are different;)

Panasonic DMW LVF 1 finder USD 132, Leica EVF finder USD 385 (prices at B&H). For sure they are different

[rennsport]

Woha there fellow, "a war of words"? A bit dramatic, no? There are reasons/issues beyound the "solid technical proof" that weighs in on some people's considerations. No war here fella, just different values and conclusions.

 

Sorry for being too dramatic. ;-)

 

No wars in this thread just yet. I was referring to some earlier discussions I've read about prior models. My bad for being unclear.

[B Y Hee]

Interesting to see how we defend our decision over something and somehow more importantly, BE HAPPY.

 

Whether its a PANNY or LEICA, its a instrument to express what we want. I remember using a lomo and get similar effect of happiness too, so likewise enjoy it.

 

My purpose of this thread is to explore and not condemn so do not have war over here but I know for sure it is just a friendly argument only. Again observe the truth and not cover up truth.

[MikeMyers]

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I'm just beginning to learn how to use this thing, but from my point of view, if Leica now knows how to do all these complicated things in the menu system, and to provide such capability, why does my M8.2 seem so ancient by comparison? I know that the M series cameras can't do all these things because of physical limitations, but after five minutes I felt more at home with these menus, than after five days with the M8.2.

 

I did find a web page which explains a lot of the features of these cameras in more detail:

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 Digital Camera - Review - The Imaging Resource!

 

My plan is to put all my other camera gear away for a week or so, and try to use this as much as possible. I'm not sure if the size of the instruction manual is going to help or hurt though - it's so much smaller than the other manuals I've gotten so used to. I guess that's a good thing?

[Shootist]

I'm just beginning to learn how to use this thing, but from my point of view, if Leica now knows how to do all these complicated things in the menu system, and to provide such capability, why does my M8.2 seem so ancient by comparison? I know that the M series cameras can't do all these things because of physical limitations, but after five minutes I felt more at home with these menus, than after five days with the M8.2.

 

I did find a web page which explains a lot of the features of these cameras in more detail:

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 Digital Camera - Review - The Imaging Resource!

 

My plan is to put all my other camera gear away for a week or so, and try to use this as much as possible. I'm not sure if the size of the instruction manual is going to help or hurt though - it's so much smaller than the other manuals I've gotten so used to. I guess that's a good thing?

 

Actually I find the M8/.2 menus very easy to navigate and even the M9 the one time I got to use one (other then setting the ISO, took me a while to figure out I had to hold down the ISO button to change it), to me much simpler then the LX5.

 

The REAL LX5 manual is on a CD that comes with the camera. But to me it is layed out for the real novice user. You have to wade through it to find references to exactly what all those menu options are and what they do (in 2 or 3 different sections). For me it would be better to place them at the top of the manual in order maybe just after they talk about battery charging and control buttons.

 

Oh by the way the real DL5 manual is in the same place, on a CD, and layed out the same way. Funny how that is for a different camera.

[Shootist]

OK, true (as far as mechanics go), so what's the point? I never said otherwise. I only said they are not the same camera, also true.

 

OK you win the Leica D-Lux5 and the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 are completely different cameras. They do not share anything. Especially the price so how could they be the same.

 

Hope this makes you happy, have a good day.

[jjonsalt]

OK you win the Leica D-Lux5 and the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 are completely different cameras. They do not share anything. Especially the price so how could they be the same.

 

Hope this makes you happy, have a good day.

An immature response. You sound like one of my grandchildren.

[Shootist]

An immature response. You sound like one of my grandchildren.

 

Thanks.

And what do you call all your responses. Well thought out? looked at with a open mind?

 

Again have a nice day, all the best to you.

[ho_co]

... after five minutes I felt more at home with these menus, than after five days with the M8.2....

Mike, you must be at least 40 years younger than I!

 

I've got the D-Lux 4 and have been using it for two years, but it still seems overloaded with modes that remember some settings but not others, features I find strange (e.g. Scene Menu) etc.

 

I finally got the camera set up so I can do what I want to do, but it's still catching me from time to time with reminders that I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

For me, the M8's menu is peculiar only in that there's both the "Menu" menu and the "Setup" menu. Once you get that figured out, it seems to me the M8 is the most clearly laid-out and most logical of any digital camera I've used: It offers all the needed functions, retains what you've set, and is always ready to go. Hardly even needs a manual IMO.

 

Just my view.

[B Y Hee]

Hei

 

You know what just got the leather case for.my d lux 5 and guess what it meant for lx5 and it solve my problem of looking for a the artisan and artist half case. This is cool when I take out the top portion which is meant to protect the lens and I have my dlux 5 with the half case. Looks cool and glad that its compatible between these 2 great cameras.

 

 

Now let's forget about the indifferences we have and find a way to improve the looks of the cameras.

[jjonsalt]

Hei

 

You know what just got the leather case for.my d lux 5...

Where, I can't find one in stock.

[earleygallery]

Same camera, different package. That's it.

[B Y Hee]

Where, I can't find one in stock.

 

 

Got mine in Malaysia. Will try to get the code no for you.

[MikeMyers]

......but it still seems overloaded with modes that remember some settings but not others, features I find strange ...........For me, the M8's menu is peculiar only in that there's both the "Menu" menu and the "Setup" menu. Once you get that figured out, it seems to me the M8 is the most clearly laid-out and most logical of any digital camera I've used

 

 

I guess I agree with you. From that perpsective, it all makes sense. For me, I've gotten used to the way Nikon does things on the D2 and D3. The electronics is a "computer" and Nikon allows you to get into anything and everything. It takes a road map to find things, but they're all there.

 

There are "major categories" such as shooting, viewing, tools, etc. There are sub-categories for each heading, with all the detailed stuff in a logical place. It's a nightmare if you don't already think this way, but for me it seems very natural. The Leicasonicc follows this same trend, and it all seems so organized.

 

The M8 menu matches the camra - very simple, quick and easy, and once you figure out where things are in the two menu systems, you're all set. Oh... if I'm 40 years younger than you, you've got to be well past 100! :-)

 

 

 

(To me, after spending $6k for my Leica, the menu seems like something that would go with a $60 camera, and the Paneica and Nikon menus for the D2 or D3 give you access to *everything*. Heck, I wish my M had the same menu. I also wish it had the same viewing screen. I'd love it if it had a pop-up flash. Image stabilization would be a nice benefit too. Oh well, what is, is. I can setill dream though...).

 

 

 

I went to B&H yesterrday. I found a belt-mounted case from Lowpro that's close to what I want, so that problem is solved. I checked out the small optical viewfinder, but it's bigger in person than I expected, so I passed on it. I got an inexpensive wrist strap just like the ones that come with the Canons. I wanted the filter adapter, but they were out of stock. Next time...

[jjonsalt]

I think it has to do with age, of the photographer that is. I got my first real camera, a Kodak Duaflex IV (a TLR) when I was 10 or 11 (1956-57). Wow! adjustable aperture and zone focusing. I was using our hall bathroom as my lab making contact prints at that age as well. One of my favorite cameras during my years was a Mamiya RB67, no batteries required. Recently I sold my Canon 1D3 outfit and MF cameras due to poor health and age. I like simple straight forward cameras like the M8 and M9, just wish I could afford one. For those more tech savy all the extensive options may be appreciated and desired. But for myself that grew up using guide numbers, zone exposure and the "Golden Mean Rule" the array of options just get in the way. And yes, I even, at times use a hand-held meter (analog). My hat is off to the M9.

[MikeMyers]

Cool! My first real camera was a Contax II, which I "borrowed" from my dad in the late 1950's. The darkroom followed right after.

 

I completely agree with you that a straight-forward, simple, easy-to-use menu system is great, with no more complexity than my old M2 and M3.... but now that I got all involved in computery stuff and digital images, I would *also* like to have access to all that stuff when/if I want to.

 

(To me, the paneiicaish stuff looks great - I think it's all there somewhere, but I need to figure it all out once so I can find things again when needed. Maybe I can print the whole menu out, showing all the sub-menus, choices, etc.....)

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[macjim]

B Y Hee, can I ask you, before you bought the D-Lux 5 what were you using?

I'm thinking about downsizing from a DSLR camera because it gets little use and I would like to have a camera on me all the time.

Why did you chose the leica?