D Lux 5 and LX 5

[B Y Hee]

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Hi

 

Just join this forum and well new owner of D Lux 5. Well decision to buy D Lux 5 over LX 5 isn't a very easy decision and finally decided to go for the Leica.

 

Wonder anyone has noticed this when all this time everyone is talking about the quality and stuffs like that and have they actually compare the lens of both camera. I was comparing at both the camera side by side and I notice the reflections from the lens (if u face the lens towards the ceiling) of the D Lux 5 to a bit "fresher". Do not know how to phrase it but u can see that the LX 5 reflections is a bit more "stale" in look. However, this sort of nail my decision by the way.

 

Nice to be in.

 

Hee

[Digitom]

That seems to be a very interesting point. I remember something similar I read maybe here in the forum or elsewhere when the LX3 and D-Lux 4 came to market. Would be interesting if anyone has verified this observation, because mostly the people tell these cameras are same beside the software delivered with the cam, theit design, the software style and some internal picture data handling. So if the lens coating is different, itwould be another more differing detail. I will try to check next time I come to my foto dealer.

[B Y Hee]

Yes this should be noticed as the distinct difference between these 2 cameras. I have always doubt about paying extra for brand so this will shut all critics.

 

Try it out and see if that should be the reason why u have to pay extra.

 

Cheers

[Guntis]

Hi,

Look forward to hear others, whaf they say. I had Panasinic, but the picture didn't satisfy me - I thought due to software, but now after reading this - perhaps different coating.

I sold Panasonic and bought Leica, and picture quality IS different. I can't prive since J dkn't have the P any more.

[Dan States]

Even leica will tell you, they are all the same. Any differences you see can be attributed to lighting, manufacturing variance or wishful thinking.

 

Leica has every reason to point out differences between the cameras as justification for the price. The fact that they don't should tell a bit about the realities.

 

 

If you need a copy of LR3 the leica is worth the money.

[Digitom]

Even leica will tell you, they are all the same. Any differences you see can be attributed to lighting, manufacturing variance or wishful thinking.

 

Leica has every reason to point out differences between the cameras as justification for the price. The fact that they don't should tell a bit about the realities.

 

 

If you need a copy of LR3 the leica is worth the money.

 

Sorry if I disagree, but I have been in Wetzlar at Leica Academy event days a few days ago and there was also Panasonic, and Leica AND Panasonic told me that there are sure some differences in the fine-tuning of the software, picture postprocessing and of course the menu look of Leica is very much clearer and better even they show the same menu points of course. But you see at D-Lux 4 that Panasonic and Leica bring out different formware - but that showd they do some different things in these models beside the design. IMHO the Panasonic design is excellent, the Leica design with grip is marvellous! But thats only my opinion (as a Leica freak )

 

Sure the differencies are not so big, and maybe with a post processing program like photoshop or lightroom one can overcome that difference, but I do not understand why people always hassle about these things of buying Leica or Pana. Guntis said that he was not satisfied with the pic quality of Pana, and I believe him. I read elsewhere these things on the web and so it shows that he is not alone with his opinion. So let the people decide what they want, and: if the higher price is worth a maybe little difference to the red dot camera.

[B Y Hee]

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I was doing some shooting and I am completely satisfied with what I get from D Lux 5. As for the quality of it, its definitely better than D Lux 4.

 

I was split between D lux 4 as compared to Ricoh GX200 and GRD. I have these 2 cameras and I would say that they are comparable to D Lux 4 but now I change my mind. Just shot some raw pic and louping in shows the quality to be ahead. Well have to try it out to be convinced.

[B Y Hee]

Even leica will tell you, they are all the same. Any differences you see can be attributed to lighting, manufacturing variance or wishful thinking.

 

Leica has every reason to point out differences between the cameras as justification for the price. The fact that they don't should tell a bit about the realities.

 

 

If you need a copy of LR3 the leica is worth the money.

 

:)

 

I wish it could be plain wishful thinking and due to lighting and so but I believe we have compare it to a few other camera lenses and same verdict. I think it terms of the colours reflected on the D lux 5 clearly shows a difference. Try it out and not simply use logic to opt it out. Again seeing is believing.

[Dan States]

Watch this interview with Stephan Daniel. The part that relates to this discussion starts around 5:45.

 

[Shootist]

:)

 

I wish it could be plain wishful thinking and due to lighting and so but I believe we have compare it to a few other camera lenses and same verdict. I think it terms of the colours reflected on the D lux 5 clearly shows a difference. Try it out and not simply use logic to opt it out. Again seeing is believing.

 

I really think you are fooling yourself.

 

I the video that Dan linked to Stefan Daniel state they can NOT differentiate a Leica lens from a Leica product to a Panasonic product. IE the lenses are the same.

The eye and mind does play tricks on us.

 

Good luck with your camera.

[jjonsalt]

Watch this interview with Stephan Daniel. The part that relates to this discussion starts around 5:45.

 

 

For those of use that are hearing impaired...what are the highlights?

[earleygallery]

The Leica version has a lens made from rejected glass from the Noctilux production line, they re-grind it to put in the Dlux whereas the Panasonic is made from recycled beer bottles.

 

It's also common knowledge on the internet of misinformation that the Panasonic cameras are made from the bits that Leica reject, and Panasonic have to make their jpegs look crappy on purpose, as part of their agreement with Leica.

[Shootist]

For those of use that are hearing impaired...what are the highlights?

 

The highlights are the cameras are the same. The lens is either a Leica design or a Panasonic design OKed by Leica or a joint design, again OKed by Leica. Final production is done in Japan by Panasonic with QC checks by Leica. Most all Panasonic lenses for all Panasonic cameras are some type of joint effort by the 2 companies. Although that is not in the video linked to.

[ho_co]

For those of use that are hearing impaired...what are the highlights?

Stefan says in the video that the lenses for the two cameras are the same. Leica wouldn't allow its name to be put on a lens that isn't up to Leica standards. The lenses are a Leica / Panasonic joint design built in Japan by Panasonic. There's no difference in quality control between the two marques. Stefan reminds us that there's a bit of Leica inside the Panasonic (implied: as well as a bit of Panasonic inside the Leica). He singles out styling and bundled software as major differences, but leaves the door open for more.

 

In other words (though not in the interview), there is no Leica technician at the end of a single production line comparing products and saying "This one's a Leica, but that one's a Panasonic."

 

Stefan Daniel is IMHO an excellent spokesman for the brand, giving the feeling that he's honestly answering the question you asked, but that there's a lot more he would have said if you had phrased the question just a little differently.

 

 

The site's proffered Closed Captioning feature is more interesting than helpful. It's amazingly good dealing with the accents involved, but not particularly accurate.

• When Stefan refers to "mirrorless technology," the Google speech recognition renders it as "mental illness technology."
   
  
• When Stefan says "It is not so easy to improve the Leica MP," the closed captioning translates as, "It is not so easy to improve the lives of people."
  

Interestingly, the speech recognition software renders "uh" as "%uh." I think that should become a standard spelling.

[ho_co]

This question will likely never get sorted out--that's what makes it so interesting.

 

Stefan says the lenses are the same, but it's clear there is some difference in the firmware, if for no reason other than that the menus are different.

 

Whether the image processing is different seems to me the open issue.

 

IMHO, there's no reason not to spend the extra bucks "just to be sure," if you're so inclined.

[B Y Hee]

Does anyone actually physically compare it side by side? That's the point. We are not arguing whether it is superiority of one brand over another. Neither are we trying to prove inferiority of another brand too.

 

Its simple enough to say that we are only commenting over what we saw. I do not know about the quality of the image taken but just a simple observation. No harm but this is really getting interesting.

[Mister X]

I hope this cultural reference is understood, but much of this discussion reminds of of the Disney movie "Dumbo" where the elephant believes he can fly because of a magic feather, where in reality it's a confidence builder.

 

There may or may not be IQ differences between the two cameras, but if it eliminates a concern on the part of the photographer, thus allowing him to focus on the truly important aspects of artful photography (subject, composition, timing, etc.) then by all means, go with the Leica.

 

As a DL4 shooter, I'm very happy with IQ and devote much of my effort to honing my artistic skill.

[Shootist]

Does anyone actually physically compare it side by side? That's the point. We are not arguing whether it is superiority of one brand over another. Neither are we trying to prove inferiority of another brand too.

 

Its simple enough to say that we are only commenting over what we saw. I do not know about the quality of the image taken but just a simple observation. No harm but this is really getting interesting.

 

The difference you saw could be anything. Like some one before you, or even the sales staff, putting a finger on the lens of the LX. Improper cleaning of the lens. The slight difference in the light and angle you compared the 2 cameras.

[rennsport]

Here we go again, the same debate since D-Lux 3 versus LX-2. Yawn.

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[Dan States]

Here we go again, the same debate since D-Lux 3 versus LX-2. Yawn.

 

Likewise we have the poster who feels the need to post to a thread he doesn't like...Yawn.